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I think my breakfast just came up. I need to find contact information for these judges.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/30/westboro.baptist.snyder/index.html?hpt=T2

Dead Marine's father ordered to pay protesters' legal costs
By Emanuella Grinberg, CNN
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Father of Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder calls order to pay legal costs "slap in the face"
Westboro lawyer says order consequence of lawsuit, says money will fund protests
Snyder's family sued Westboro Baptist Church for protesting Marine's funeral in 2006
4th Circuit reversed judgments against Westboro in '09; high court will hear case
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(CNN) -- The father of a Marine whose funeral was picketed by the Westboro Baptist Church says an order to pay the protesters' legal costs in a civil claim is nothing less than a "slap in the face."

"By the court making this decision, they're not only telling me that they're taking their side, but I have to pay them money to do this to more soldiers and their families," said Albert Snyder, whose son, Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder, was killed in action in Iraq in 2006.

Members of the fundamentalist church based in Topeka, Kansas, appeared outside Snyder's funeral in 2006 in Westminster, Maryland, carrying signs reading "You're going to hell," "God hates you" and "Thank God for dead soldiers."

Among the teachings of the church, which was founded in 1955 by pastor Fred Phelps, is the belief that God is punishing the United States for "the sin of homosexuality" through events such as soldiers' deaths.

Margie Phelps, the daughter of Fred Phelps and the attorney representing the church in its appeals, also said the money that the church receives from Snyder will be used to finance demonstrations. But she also said that the order was a consequence of his decision to sue the church over the demonstration.

"Mr. Snyder and his attorneys have engaged the legal system; there are some rules to that legal engagement," said Phelps, a member of Westboro who says she has participated in more than 150 protests of military funerals.

"They wanted to shut down the picketing so now they're going to finance it," she said.

The 4th Circuit Court of Appeals on Friday ordered that Snyder pay more than $16,000 in costs requested by Westboro for copies of motions, briefs and appendices, according to court documents.

In a motion filed in October, Snyder's lawyer, who is representing him for free, asked the court to dismiss the bill of costs, or, alternatively, reduce the 50-cent fee per page or charge Snyder only for copies that were necessary to make their arguments on appeal.

"We objected based upon ability to pay and the fairness of the situation," Sean Summers said.

The mostly pro-forma ruling is the latest chapter in an ongoing legal saga that pits privacy rights of grieving families against the free speech rights of demonstrators, however disturbing and provocative their message.

Snyder's family sued the church and went to trial in 2007 alleging privacy invasion, intentional infliction of emotional distress and civil conspiracy. A jury awarded the family $2.9 million in compensatory damages plus $8 million in punitive damages, which were reduced to $5 million.

Westboro in 2008 appealed the case to the 4th District, which reversed the judgments a year later, siding with the church's claims that its First Amendment rights had been violated.

"The protest was confined to a public area under supervision and regulation of local law enforcement and did not disrupt the church service," the circuit court opinion said. "Although reasonable people may disagree about the appropriateness of the Phelps' protest, this conduct simply does not satisfy the heavy burden required for the tort of intentional infliction of emotional distress under Maryland law."

The U.S. Supreme Court has agreed to hear the case to address issues of laws designed to protect the "sanctity and dignity of memorial and funeral services" as well as the privacy of family and friends of the deceased.

The justices will be asked to address how far states and private entities such as cemeteries and churches can go to justify picket-free zones and the use of "floating buffers" to silence or restrict speech or movements of demonstrators exercising their constitutional rights in a funeral setting.

Both Phelps and Snyder's attorney said they were surprised that the 4th District chose to weigh in on the issue of legal costs when they could have waited until after the Supreme Court hearing.

Phelps believes the ruling bodes well for her side.

"It is a good harbinger of the fact that the Supreme Court will remind this nation that you don't have mob rule. The fact that so many people hate these words does not mean you can silence or penalize them. That's supposed to be the great liberty that we congratulate ourselves on protecting in this nation. We strut all around the world forcing people to give all the liberties we supposedly have," she said.

Phelps anticipated that a Supreme Court ruling in the church's favor would be unpopular, but she said Westboro's members viewed the potential outcome in Biblical terms.

"When the Supreme Court unanimously upholds the 4th Circuit, it's going to put this country in a rage, and we will be expelled," she said. "But whenever it was time for an epic event in the Bible, the thing that happened right before is the prophets were removed from the land, and that's what's going to happen to us. ... We're going to sprint to the end of this race."

Snyder claims he is unable to pay any legal costs in the case and is attempting to raise funds on his son's site, http://www.matthewsnyder.org/. He is equally optimistic that he will prevail before the Supreme Court.

"The American people keep my spirits lifted a lot and give me hope. I think most of the country is on my side on this issue," he said. "Too many people have died to protect our rights and freedoms to have them degraded and spit upon like this church does."


CNN's Bill Mears contributed to this report.


  
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I just heard about this on FOX this morning. Bill O'Rielly said they would pay the bill if the issue wasn't resolved.


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That's just plain BS.  I heard about that last night and was like WTF ... that's just not right.
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O'Reilly Pays Legal Bill for Fallen Marine's Father

Tuesday, March 30, 2010 08:19 PM

By: David A. Patten

No. 1 cable news host Bill O'Reilly said Tuesday that he will personally write a check to cover $16,500 in legal costs for the father of a fallen U.S. Marine who sued the members of a church who picketed his son's funeral.

According to news reports, the members of the Westboro Baptist Church, located in Topeka, Kan., believe that God is punishing the United States because of its acceptance of gay people. The church garners attention for its views by protesting high-profile funerals.

On March 3, 2006, Marine Lance Cpl. Matthew A. Snyder died in a non-combat related vehicle accident in Al Anbar province in Iraq.

"He was a hero and he was the love of my life," said Albert Snyder, Matthew's grieving father.

During the wake that was held after his son's funeral, family members turned on the television to view coverage of the massive procession involving over 1,500 persons. They saw the church members waving signs and protesting the funeral.

"I just stood there in shock," Albert Snyder told O'Reilly in November 2007.

"I couldn't believe that somebody would do that to somebody else. I mean, I didn't know what to say.

"Finally, somebody yelled, 'Turn off the television.' But I just stood there in shock. I can't believe there's somebody that would actually do that to soldiers."
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Well that is what happens when liberal judges are elected/appointed to the bench. They have no respect for anyone just their liberal agendas. This makes me sick! The supreme court will do the right thing.
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Well that is what happens when liberal judges are elected/appointed to the bench. They have no respect for anyone just their liberal agendas. This makes me sick! The supreme court will do the right thing.


The 4th Circuit actually is pretty evenly split

There are seven judges appointed by Democratic presidents, and seven judges appointed by Republican presidents. Additionally, there is also Judge Roger Gregory, who was appointed by Clinton via recess appointment and then re-appointed by Bush-


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Hey, you want to strengthen Democrats so they can appoint judges where ever and whenever they wish like THIS, what are you complaining about? You only all got what you wanted! LOL!!!!


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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The 4th Circuit actually is pretty evenly split

There are seven judges appointed by Democratic presidents, and seven judges appointed by Republican presidents. Additionally, there is also Judge Roger Gregory, who was appointed by Clinton via recess appointment and then re-appointed by Bush-


Sounds like they need one less liberal? You get the government you deserve.



"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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This isn't because of liberal vs conservative guys....really shame on you for trying to politicize this.  This is the letter of the law vs what is right.  Unfortunately that is the flaw of the justice system.  I'm glad someone helped this guy out, as I understand Hells Angels have in recent years been showing up where the Westboro Baptist church goes to protest funerals.

In similar news, this group of evil went to the town in Virginia where the mine collapsed to protest that god hated America because of it's stance on homosexuals.  The town formed a counter protest and the Westboro church protesters left town fast.
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No, the liberal judges ruling is not political when it does this stuff. It is only political when it upholds a conservative point, then you can politicize it all you want and conservatives who want less government control have to go into the corner for a time out. Right.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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No, the liberal judges ruling is not political when it does this stuff. It is only political when it upholds a conservative point, then you can politicize it all you want and conservatives who want less government control have to go into the corner for a time out. Right.


Wow you are so misguided.  Imagine if you knew how the world really worked.  
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...yeah, and what have you done to make the world work other than rent and stack groceries for a corporation. Maybe you really don't understand how underachieved your life has been. Following the doctrines of Marx will usually make you a loser. And that is really all you are.

We all bow down to you union thugs and socialists. Yeah, then we woke up and found that in America we are still free. Want to make it otherwise? Lets see you try.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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Wow you really are so far off track you probably wouldn't know how to find it.
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