How do you take both sides of an issue in one post??
Let me see if I can get you to choose a side to the abortion issue. It's pretty cut and dry.
Do you believe the an individual(expecting mother) has the right to terminate the life(living fetus) guaranteed to all Americans under the Constitution? OR... Do you believe the U.S. Constitution protect the rights of the unborn living fetus from pre meditated murder?
The constitution shouldn't get involved.....it can be bent multiple ways even when a parent has children they are raising... the constitution could also mean that life liberty and pursuit of happiness means that all the folks on Jerry Springer relinquish their rights of their children to the government/schools/church/adoptive parents....
my point is that the little dittys the masses use as their slogans fail to talk about the REAL issue......being that the church and parents have not taught their children well.....being pro-choice means what? eat meat? no chemo drugs for you? what? pro-life means what? no meat? you better take those chemo drugs? what? I think the lingo used limits us.....on our ability to discern.....
It is just that personal......and if a person/couple/pastor etc together or alone or where 2 or more are gathered can make a personal DECISION........the choice was in the sex(choosing who/when/where/how), that is the foundation that leads up to the precipice where we end up making decisions more times, and not to our liking, than not.
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Main Entry: 1choice Pronunciation: \ˈchȯis\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English chois, from Anglo-French, from choisir to choose, of Germanic origin; akin to Old High German kiosan to choose — more at choose Date: 13th century 1 : the act of choosing : selection 2 : power of choosing : option 3 a : the best part : cream b : a person or thing chosen 4 : a number and variety to choose among 5 : care in selecting 6 : a grade of meat between prime and good
You must have a progressive view of the Constitution, where as not to be bound by it's literal language. Or, you are an anarchist, who believe all laws are unnecessary and meaningless, and natural law and survival of the fittest shall rule.
Attempting to decipher your post, I guess the choice to abort or not to abort is a right granted to the individual, and society has no right to intervene in an attempt to preserve the innocent unborn.
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an⋅ar⋅chy [an-er-kee] Show IPA –noun 1. a state of society without government or law. 2. political and social disorder due to the absence of governmental control: The death of the king was followed by a year of anarchy. 3. a theory that regards the absence of all direct or coercive government as a political ideal and that proposes the cooperative and voluntary association of individuals and groups as the principal mode of organized society. 4. confusion; chaos; disorder: Intellectual and moral anarchy followed his loss of faith.
When the government/masses start to think folks are not able to disern to a decision and begin to limit the exercise thereof....we might as well be in the dark ages......our brain is a muscle that requires exercise......right or wrong......is it wrong to refuse an abortion to a couple/woman if the couple think the choice to have sex was bad and then they look around to actually make a decision which requires weighing out their life experience(or lack),the situation they are in etc....
there is a difference between the words----choice/decision.......the abortion requires a decision and one a person or two lives with...a choice is changing the radio station to find a song for ambience to have sex.......
as for the choice---IT'S NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S BUSINESS EITHER WAY.......it's a non-issue...smoke and mirrors for the politicos.....
abortion has been around since humans have......it always will be......
look and listen = choice see and hear = decision
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
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You must have a progressive view of the Constitution, where as not to be bound by it's literal language. Or, you are an anarchist, who believe all laws are unnecessary and meaningless, and natural law and survival of the fittest shall rule.
Attempting to decipher your post, I guess the choice to abort or not to abort is a right to granted to the individual, and society has no right to intervene in an attempt to preserve the innocent unborn.
the language doesn't belong as it is stated specifically about abortion.....it is a non-issue....it is not 'equal'...it doesn't deserve special wording.....there shouldn't be wording of any kind about it......
no different than the parents who are drunk and put their kids in the car and drive with them in it....people say,,,oh, they might get killed...thats REALLY wrong....
well, guess what, those kids aren't more equal than the kids who's parents are killed by a drunk driver and left as orphans.....
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
the language doesn't belong as it is stated specifically about abortion.....i
Is abortion infanticide? Let's just call it murder or homicide. Let's replace the word abortion with infanticide. Abortion is a statement softener to make the fact of killing more palatable to accept the harsh reality of what is happening.
no different than the parents who are drunk and put their kids in the car and drive with them in it....people say,,,oh, they might get killed...thats REALLY wrong....
well, guess what, those kids aren't more equal than the kids who's parents are killed by a drunk driver and left as orphans.....
This is not a good analogy. Whether being the drunk driver or getting hit by a drunk drive, neither is pre-meditated, and in neither case the parent or unsuspecting drunk driver get into the car with an expected outcome of getting into an accident and kill children. Going to Planned Parenthood for an abortion, you won't accidentally get an abortion, if an abortion is desired- IT WILL HAPPEN.
I think it is very difficult for all pro-lifer or anti-gay marriage person to be in government. The way I see it, there is a very fine line between personal belief and upholding constitutional laws.
If I were a government official, (and I am pro-life), I would openly state that I 'personally' am against abortion...BUT...it would be my job to uphold the law of the land....whether I liked it or not!
That's the way I see it any way.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Is abortion infanticide? Let's just call it murder or homicide. Let's replace the word abortion with infanticide. Abortion is a statement softener to make the fact of killing more palatable to accept the harsh reality of what is happening.
You hit it on the head!!!....the lingo doesn't belong in the constitution.....it belongs in the church and taught there along with discernment...the government will ALWAYS make things palatable....we have itchy ears you know......
the more one is able to discern(not just choose) the more those choices become less palatable.....it is just that personal....
our government is an effect of our conscience....our elected legislators are our tools.....there shouldn't have to be any kind of wording needed.....the church has left it's foundation...and the church foundation is not legislated...it just is....and it is our personal responsibility to discern(individually)--the pharisees would have us believe otherwise....
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
This is not a good analogy. Whether being the drunk driver or getting hit by a drunk drive, neither is pre-meditated, and in neither case the parent or unsuspecting drunk driver get into the car with an expected outcome of getting into an accident and kill children. Going to Planned Parenthood for an abortion, you won't accidentally get an abortion, if an abortion is desired- IT WILL HAPPEN.
you dont think it's premeditated? really? those parents are THAT stupid they didn't know what could happen when driving drunk? but, we want stupid people who didn't learn that sperm+ovum= baby, to actually raise one? they had no self control? they are 'shocked' and think it's cute......the choice was long before the decision
drinking=accident sex=baby
where is the foundation?
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
You still haven't answered. Do you believe in empowering the government to make laws protecting individuals rights, keeping the strong from dominating the weak.
you dont think it's premeditated? really? those parents are THAT stupid they didn't know what could happen when driving drunk? but, we want stupid people who didn't learn that sperm+ovum= baby, to actually raise one? they had no self control? they are 'shocked' and think it's cute......the choice was long before the decision
drinking=accident sex=baby
where is the foundation?
Does the government have the right to tell you not to drink alcohol and drive? Who told you driving drunk is dangerous? I know people who've driven drunk 100's of times, and never got into an accident. Not even a scratch. So, Drinking does not ALWAY equal accident, and sex does not always equal baby, there is only a small window for conception. BUT... Pregnant women goes to abortion clinic for an abortion, always equals DEAD BABY!
an⋅ar⋅chy [an-er-kee] Show IPA –noun 1. a state of society without government or law. 2. political and social disorder due to the absence of governmental control: The death of the king was followed by a year of anarchy. 3. a theory that regards the absence of all direct or coercive government as a political ideal and that proposes the cooperative and voluntary association of individuals and groups as the principal mode of organized society. 4. confusion; chaos; disorder: Intellectual and moral anarchy followed his loss of faith.
you forgot #4....if our government is an elected government...our faith is NOT in the government(it's not a monarchy we dont have faith in a bloodline) then the government is our CONSCIENCE....our elected legislators are not raised in a vacuum.......
abortion wouldn't happen as much if personal discernment is exercised from BOTH sexes....we are not just mindless animals....although the likes of Woods/Spitzer/Edwards/Hilton/Kardashian etc would probably win in court
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
Does the government have the right to tell you not to drink alcohol and drive? Who told you driving drunk is dangerous? I know people who've driven drunk 100's of times, and never got into an accident. Not even a scratch. So, Drinking does not ALWAY equal accident, and sex does not always equal baby, there is only a small window for conception. BUT... Pregnant women goes to abortion clinic for an abortion, always equals DEAD BABY!
but the precipice is where the decision is made....the assent is where the choice is made....can you see the difference between the words?....if decisions and the use of discernment were taught better in the church/parents(their responsibility) then decisions would be made earlier on.....no precipice needed....just a nice day.......life isn't neat like that all the time,,,,but these are tools/words and language that need to be taught to the young......
I am certainly very very very far from my perfect day but I have found that using discernment/decisions as much as possible, when those 'quick' choices come up they become a flea to flick away.......
I am for PRO-DISCERNMENT
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
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