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Sunnie57
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What exactly IS pro-life?????  I am pro-life for anyone, including myself until you/I say-----"I cant freakin' stand this treatment anymore".....as for
pro-life in reguard to abortion, what does that mean? Born without a trustfund but, born just the same????

Dont even put it in the 'argument'......leave it alone....personal IS personal.....just like any other 'crime'........
'cause I have to tell ya,,,,dont touch my family---that's how personal it is------just like abortion..........same to me.......


Prolife is somebody who does not think 1.3 million babies should be killed each year, and they don't call killing innocents "privacy." Privacy has nothing to do with killing. Is it OK to kill the born as long as it's private? Of course not. Let's protect the unborn as well.

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John Faso is a great candidate. The door is wide open for him to run for either Congress or State Comptroller. I hear he is leaning towards Congress but keeping his powder dry. If he ran for Congress it would be a slam dunk.


He has my support. He is conservative in every respect.

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Prolife is somebody who does not think 1.3 million babies should be killed each year, and they don't call killing innocents "privacy." Privacy has nothing to do with killing. Is it OK to kill the born as long as it's private? Of course not. Let's protect the unborn as well.



I'm sure there is an opposite for that #......such as 1.3million babies born to 'live parents' have no direction, education, food, get
abused, drug addicted etc etc......I need to ask Northeast Parent and child services their #'s........or maybe Hillary would like
to cough up the numbers in her "It takes a Village to Raise a Child",,,,in which this can also be changed to say,
"It Takes a Village to Care for Elders"......Now which is prolife? Both? or only the unborn? or the 'innocent'? or the cheapest?

Are you up for adopting the 'other #'s' of the born out of lack of thought/responsibility/obtunded etc????? I'm not.........


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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Sunnie57--if you are pro-life (I am) than you are also against the death penalty.  The same concept applies to this issue.  
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I am against the taking of innocent life.
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I am against the killing of the INNOCENT!
And for those who do kill/murder the INNOCENT.......the death penalty is just fine in my book.

However, that is my personal opinion that obviously doesn't amount to a hill of beans. We are a country of laws. And if the law says it's ok to kill the innocent (abortion) and that it's ok to use the death penalty for a hanis crime......then it is what it is.....that's the law!

Our opinions are just that.....our own personal opinions!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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Yes I undertand your emphasis on "innocent" but taking a life is taking a life regardless if it is a back alley abortion, or one in a hospital or through capital punishment.  I also understand your emphasis on personal opinion.  I am expounding on the issue as a Roman Catholic relative to the concept of pro-life.
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Yes I undertand your emphasis on "innocent" but taking a life is taking a life regardless if it is a back alley abortion, or one in a hospital or through capital punishment.  I also understand your emphasis on personal opinion.  I am expounding on the issue as a Roman Catholic relative to the concept of pro-life.


I am for the death penalty...IF THE PERSON IS REALLY GUILTY!! It does disturb me when I hear of men in prison for 10-20 years for rapes that they never committed. I often think......what if that happens to a person who's crime is punishable by death?
So I am certain (in my personal opinion) that the death penalty is a just punishment for certain crimes.
However, I'm not so confident in our judicial system although I think it's the best on the face of this earth.

I would hate to see and INNOCENT person put to death for a crime they actually did not commit. I hope I made sense here.



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The death penalty is supposed to be a deterrent to society to hold ourselves up to 'the higher standard', in which case would be to avoid behaviors
that would not get us into that 'chair of death' via crimes which do have the death penalty as their end....

having said that, it appears that the basis for all the other choices in life become luck....and we all know what luck is....the ability to say in either case
"I have succeded because I was lucky(Obama response to being president)" or "I was unlucky and now I have this fine/jail etc"
luck is nothing more than being able to stave off responsibility in case something goes wrong.........

so when you hear someone say "I got lucky last night", and then they find out that 3 months later they actually laid seed.....well, now who is lucky
or who is down on their luck......?????

abortion is not viewed as a deterrent but as a means to 'get lucky' again.......so it is not the abortion that is the crime............

......it is that personal........

spitzer and his hooker
clinton and his cigar/dress
tiger and his entourage
etc etc etc...........


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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I'm sure there is an opposite for that #......such as 1.3million babies born to 'live parents' have no direction, education, food, get
abused, drug addicted etc etc......I need to ask Northeast Parent and child services their #'s........or maybe Hillary would like
to cough up the numbers in her "It takes a Village to Raise a Child",,,,in which this can also be changed to say,
"It Takes a Village to Care for Elders"......Now which is prolife? Both? or only the unborn? or the 'innocent'? or the cheapest?

Are you up for adopting the 'other #'s' of the born out of lack of thought/responsibility/obtunded etc????? I'm not.........



When I asked THREE doctors if I could adopt, I was told there are no babies, will try, but don't have high hopes, and one doctor came right out and said, unfortunately, because of all the abortions, there are no babies. There are millions more couples wanting to adopt than there are babies, and when Mother Theresa told the Clintons and the Gores at a prayer breakfast that she would find a home for ANY baby that could not be adopted, most of the people applauded, but not Clinton or Gore. Al Gore took a sip of water during the applause. After all, you can't applaud while taking a sip of water, can you?   So now we know, this is about ABORTION, not finding homes for babies.

Did you know that prolife organizations help poor people more than other organization? Don't believe the false talking points from antilife groups. Do your OWN research rather than accept those talking points.
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Sunnie57--if you are pro-life (I am) than you are also against the death penalty.  The same concept applies to this issue.  


Prolife refers to innocent lives. I don't like the death penalty, but that's a deflection that many antilifers use to change the subject, those same antilifers who call abortion pro"choice," but don't believe in school choice, health insurance choice, etc..

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I am against the killing of the INNOCENT!
And for those who do kill/murder the INNOCENT.......the death penalty is just fine in my book.

However, that is my personal opinion that obviously doesn't amount to a hill of beans. We are a country of laws. And if the law says it's ok to kill the innocent (abortion) and that it's ok to use the death penalty for a hanis crime......then it is what it is.....that's the law!

Our opinions are just that.....our own personal opinions!


If you are against killing of the innocent, do you work toward changing the law that kills innocents, like supporting prolife candidates, etc.?

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When I asked THREE doctors if I could adopt, I was told there are no babies, will try, but don't have high hopes, and one doctor came right out and said, unfortunately, because of all the abortions, there are no babies. There are millions more couples wanting to adopt than there are babies, and when Mother Theresa told the Clintons and the Gores at a prayer breakfast that she would find a home for ANY baby that could not be adopted, most of the people applauded, but not Clinton or Gore. Al Gore took a sip of water during the applause. After all, you can't applaud while taking a sip of water, can you?   So now we know, this is about ABORTION, not finding homes for babies.

Did you know that prolife organizations help poor people more than other organization? Don't believe the false talking points from antilife groups. Do your OWN research rather than accept those talking points.


I dont accept any of their talking points, Beck, Clinton, Gore, Bush......guess what? it's none of their freakin' business.....it's not
my brotherly/sisterly neighbors business either.....and again I ask,,,,who is going to adopt the crack addicted/abused/mentally ill
child born of those who's baby makers maybe should be turned off....because really that is the question---NOT ABORTION...

people choose to have sex which creates a whole new issue-----Abortion is not the issue,,,,choices before that fork in the road is......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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I dont accept any of their talking points, Beck, Clinton, Gore, Bush......guess what? it's none of their freakin' business.....it's not
my brotherly/sisterly neighbors business either.....and again I ask,,,,who is going to adopt the crack addicted/abused/mentally ill
child born of those who's baby makers maybe should be turned off....because really that is the question---NOT ABORTION...

people choose to have sex which creates a whole new issue-----Abortion is not the issue,,,,choices before that fork in the road is......



We agree that choices should be made before pregnancy.

There are many people who adopt crack, abused and disabled babies, did you know that?

Since you only mention the small percentage of hard cases, may we assume you are against abortion for the healthy babies?


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I am not against prochoice for anyone....it's there, we are here, we are that ignorant and our offspring really hasn't evolved any further due to
prolife.....

My problem is with the rose colored glasses about LIFE that erks me....everyone lives with their choices or the lack of choices....

no you may not assume I am against abortion for healthy babies.....may I assume no one knows the definition of a healthy baby(or it's 'healthy'
upbringing).........


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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