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Could someone please explain to me why Iranian protestors had signs written in English or the interpretation of
their own words in English.......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Funny you should mention this cause I heard on TV today that the iranians are saying this revolt was provoked by americans. And thenon the radio this morning, they said that Bush should get credit for what is happeneing in iran since it is showing that people really do want democracy! It's just all a friggin chess game and we are clearly the pawns!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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They are appealing to the west to stand with them. In Iran, unlike most of the rest of the Middle East, has been a pro-western, middle class ethic for many years dating back to the time it was called Persia. The technocrats and leaders represented a burgeoning middle class and most were educated in western schools and had Brit or American teachers. The Shah was trained as a fighter pilot by American and Brit military. Jimmy Carter made sure we lost our foremost ally in the m.e. by allowing the Jihadists and radical Shiite Muslims to take control of the nation and destabilize the entire Gulf. they were the precursor to the madness of modern Jihad, and emboldened all anti-west Jihadists to arms to this day.

None of what we are experiencing would have been possible- the mayhem, violence, mass murder, destabilization, and world instability, if not for the devil's handiwork of the liberal democratic pacifists and their pied piper who sails under the twisted cross of the peace sign- James Earl Carter. Nonetheless the socialists won, let the radicals take the nation without a wimper from America-later causing millions of deaths in the war with Iraq (pacifism is the deadliest by far of all world religions by the way), and the Iranian middle class was dispersed to a great extent in a diaspora of sorts. But many remained behind, hoping, praying and waiting for their country-Persia, to return to modernity and it's rightful place as an advanced, civilized, capitalistic and free nation.

There is a strong movement there that the so-called "Neo-cons" which is the deroguetory term implying Jewish conservatives who want a free middle east, have wanted to advance for years. Of course our socialist regime here would like to continue to see the Jihadists control the m.e. as a counter weight to US strength in that region, and would do handstands to make sure freedom does not blossom there. Those millions of oppressed are hoping in vain while America has a love affair with the man-boy Obama, and his socialist dreams, and New World order, where America's needs are unimportant and freedom from left wing dictators is not at all valued.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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The only way the middle east can be free of conflict and peaceful is only if it is arab controlled. Remember...they own the oil! And that IS the bottom controlling line in that region!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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Thanks GB.....I guess we are ALL pawns of sorts.......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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this is a graphic post  
DO NOT CLICK THE LINK IF YOU ARE BOTHERED BY BLOOD OR THE LOSE OF LIFE

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0db_1245519048

this is a very powerful moment and should be remembered and respected for it was people like this regardless of religion or belief who gave us our freedoms

if you watch very carefully there is a steven spielberg moment (empire of the sun - as the fighter plane flies past the tower near the end of the movie); just after the young womans eyes roll to the camera, for just an instant the whole world appears to stop - it is the moment when freedom is lost. then ...

so we all must remember never to hate over religion or politics

the.pope



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people I know in the know say this was the Israel  cia that killed her to try to start the trouble over there.
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Sal....I think it was the gumbas....you better get to confession before the pope gets a hold of you......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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confession.....to me

Sal will have to follow the process.


In Catholic teaching, the sacrament of Penance (commonly called confession but more recently referred to as
Reconciliation, or more fully the Sacrament of Reconciliation) is the method used by the Church by which
individual men and women may confess sins committed after baptism and have them absolved by a priest.
This sacrament is known by many names, including penance, reconciliation and confession (Catechism
of the Catholic Church, Sections 1423-1442). While official Church publications always refer to the
sacrament as "Penance", "Reconciliation" or "Penance and Reconciliation", many laypeople continue
to use the term "confession" in reference to the sacrament.
The intent of this sacrament is to provide healing for the soul as well as to regain the grace of God,
lost by sin. Catholics believe that priests have been given the authority by Jesus to exercise the
forgiveness of sins here on earth and it is in Jesus' Holy Name by which the person confessing is
forgiven. The Council of Trent (Session Fourteen, Chapter I) quoted John 20:22-23 as the primary
Scriptural proof for the doctrine concerning this sacrament, but Catholics also consider
Matthew 9:2-8, 1 Corinthians 11:27, and Matthew 16:17-20 to be among the Scriptural
bases for the sacrament.
The basic form of confession has not changed for centuries, although at one time confessions were
made publicly.[1] In theological terms, the priest acts in persona Christi and receives from the Church
the power of jurisdiction over the penitent. Typically the penitent begins the confession by saying,
"Bless me Father, for I have sinned. It has been [time period] since my last confession." The penitent
then must confess mortal sins in order to restore his/her connection to God's grace and not to merit Hell.
The sinner may also confess venial sins; this is especially recommended if the penitent has no mortal
sins to confess.
Absolution in the Roman rite takes this form (with the essential words in bold):
God the Father of mercies, through the death and resurrection of his Son, has reconciled the world to
himself and sent the Holy Spirit among us for the forgiveness of sins; through the ministry of the Church
may God give you pardon and peace, and I absolve you from your sins in the name of the Father, and of
the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.
Before the Second Vatican Council, and still practiced in traditionalist parishes, the priest would always
absolve the penitent in Latin, using the following words, followed by an additional prayer.
Absolution (with the essential words in bold), and post-absolution prayer:
Dominus noster Jesus Christus te absolvat; et ego auctoritate ipsius te absolvo ab omni vinculo
excommunicationis (suspensionis) et interdicti in quantum possum et tu indiges. [making the Sign
of the Cross:] Deinde, ego te absolvo a peccatis tuis in nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti. Amen.
Passio Domini nostri Jesu Christi, merita Beatæ Mariæ Virginis et omnium sanctorum, quidquid boni
feceris vel Mali sustinueris sint tibi in remissionem peccatorum, augmentum gratiæ et præmium
vitæ æternæ.
Translation: "May our Lord Jesus Christ absolve you; and by His authority I absolve you from every
bond of excommunication and interdict, so far as my power allows and your needs require. [making
the Sign of the Cross:] Thereupon, I absolve you of your sins in the name of the Father, and the Son,
and the Holy Ghost. Amen.
"May the Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ, the merits of the Blessed Virgin Mary and of all the saints
obtain for you that whatever good you do or whatever evil you bear might merit for you the remission of
your sins, the increase of grace and the reward of everlasting life."
The penitent must make an act of contrition, a prayer acknowledging his/her faults before God. It
typically commences: O my God, I am heartily sorry... The reception of sacramental absolution is
considered necessary before receiving the Eucharist if one has guilt for a mortal sin (and in fact,
knowingly receiving the Eucharist under mortal sin is considered an additional mortal sin). The Roman
Catholic Church teaches that the Sacrament of Penance is the only ordinary way in which a person can
receive forgiveness for mortal sins committed after baptism. However, perfect contrition (a sorrow
motivated by love of God rather than of fear of punishment) is an extraordinary way of removing the
guilt of mortal sin before or without confession (if there is no opportunity of confessing to a priest). Such
contrition would include the intention of confessing and receiving sacramental absolution. For the
absolution to be valid, contrition must be had. Imperfect contrition (sorrow arising from a less pure
motive, such as fear of Hell), is sufficient for a valid confession, but is not, by itself, sufficient to
remove the guilt of sin.
A mortal sin must be about a serious matter, have been committed with full consent, and be known
to be wrong. Other sins would be classed as venial; confession of venial sins is strongly recommended
but not obligatory, and is said to strengthen the penitent against temptation to mortal sin. Serious
matters for a mortal sin, according to Roman Catholic teaching, include for example: murder, blasphemy,
and adultery. It is a dogmatic belief of the faith that if a person guilty of mortal sin dies without either
receiving the sacrament or experiencing perfect contrition with the intention of confessing to a priest, he
will receive eternal damnation.
In order for the sacrament to be valid the penitent must do more than simply confess his known mortal
sins to a priest. He must a) be truly sorry for each of the mortal sins he committed, b) have a firm
intention never to commit them again, and c) perform the penance imposed by the priest. Also, in
addition to confessing the types of mortal sins committed, the penitent must disclose how many times
each sin was committed, to the best of his ability.
In 1215, after the Fourth Council of the Lateran, the Code of Canon Law required all Catholics to
confess at least once a year, although frequent reception of the sacrament is recommended such as
reception weekly or monthly. In reality many Roman Catholics confess far less or more than is required;
of all practices of the faith it is perhaps among the most common to be neglected.
For Catholic priests, the confidentiality of all statements made by penitents during the course of confession
is absolute. This strict confidentiality is known as the Seal of the Confessional. According to the Code of
Canon Law, 983 §1, "The sacramental seal is inviolable; therefore it is absolutely forbidden for a confessor
to betray in any way a penitent in words or in any manner and for any reason." The priest is bound to
secrecy and cannot be excused either to save his own life or that of another, or to avert any public
calamity. No law can compel him to divulge the sins confessed to him. This is unique to the Seal of the
Confessional. The violation of the seal of confession would be a sacrilege, and the priest would be
subject to excommunication. Many other forms of confidentiality, including in most states attorney-client
privilege, allow ethical breaches of the confidence to save the life of another. For a priest to break that
confidentiality would lead to a latae sententiae (automatic) excommunication reserved to the Holy See
(Code of Canon Law, 1388 §1). In a criminal matter, a priest may encourage the penitent to surrender
to authorities. However, this is the extent of the leverage he wields; he may not directly or indirectly
disclose the matter to civil authorities himself.
There are limited cases where portions of a confession may be revealed to others, but always with
the penitent's permission and always without actually revealing the penitent's identity. This is the
case, for example, with unusually serious offenses, as some excommunicable offenses are reserved
to the bishop or even to the Holy See, and their permission to grant absolution would first have to
be obtained.

an important note

Civil authorities in the United States are usually respectful of this confidentiality. However, several years
ago an attorney in Portland, Oregon, secretly recorded a confession without the knowledge of the priest
or the penitent involved. This led to official protests by then local Archbishop Francis George and the
Vatican. The tape has since been sealed, and the Federal Court has since ruled that the taping was
in violation of the 4th Amendment, and ordered an injunction against any further tapings.


It takes a lot to look absolute authority in the face and much more to die for that belief
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confession.....to me

Sal will have to follow the process.


In Catholic teaching, the sacrament of Penance (commonly called confession
The intent of this sacrament is to provide healing for the soul as well as to regain the grace of God,
lost by sin. Catholics believe that priests have been given the authority by Jesus to exercise the
forgiveness of sins here on earth and it is in Jesus' Holy Name by which the person confessing is
forgiven. The Council of Trent (Session Fourteen, Chapter I) quoted John 20:22-23 as the primary
Scriptural proof for the doctrine concerning this sacrament, but Catholics also consider
Matthew 9:2-8, 1 Corinthians 11:27, and Matthew 16:17-20 to be among the Scriptural
bases for the


Of course its a ROMAN CATHOLIC  view- sadly most Catholics don't read the bible and haven't a clue that John 20:22-23 is about forgiveness
-Jesus ties personal forgiveness of others to our own forgiveness in the Lord's Prayer. Here,in John 20:22-23 he reminds us that the Holy Spirit was crucial in giving the gift of forgiveness in church setting-




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Kill em' all and let God sort em' out is what all the "Republicans" believe, correct?


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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Kill em' all and let God sort em' out is what all the "Republicans" believe, correct?


I don't know what " all Republicans " believe.  Maybe dog eat dog and vice versa ?


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oops Sal could be a member of one of these as they confess also

Anglicanism
The Anglican sacrament of confession and absolution is usually a component part of corporate worship, particularly at services of the Holy Eucharist. The form involves an exhortation to repentance by the priest, a period of silent prayer during which believers may inwardly confess their sins, a form of general confession said together by all present, and the pronouncement of absolution by the priest, often accompanied by the sign of the cross.

Protestantism
Protestant churches believe that no intermediary is necessary between the Christian and God in order to be absolved from sins. Protestants, however, confess their sins in private prayer before God, believing this suffices to gain God's pardon. However confession to another is often encouraged when a wrong has been done to a person as well as to God. Confession is then made to the person wronged, and is part of the reconciliation process. In cases where sin has resulted in the exclusion of a person from church membership due to unrepentance, public confession is often a pre-requisite to readmission. The sinner confesses to the church his or her repentance and is received back into fellowship. In neither case is there any required format to the confessions, except for the steps taken in Matthew 18:15-20.

Lutheranism
Main article: Confession in the Lutheran Church
Lutheran churches practice "confession and absolution" with the emphasis on the absolution, which is God's word of forgiveness. Confession and absolution may be either private to the pastor, called the "confessor" with the person confessing known as the "penitent," or corporate with the assembled congregation making a general confession to the pastor in the Divine Service. In the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, private confession and absolution fell into disuse; and, even at the present time, it often is used, such as once a month.

Mormonism
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that "Confession is a necessary requirement for complete forgiveness." The sinner must confess both to those persons wronged by his sin and to God. Confession may also be required to an authorized Priesthood leader: "Those transgressions requiring confession to a bishop are adultery, fornication, other sexual transgressions and deviancies, and sins of a comparable seriousness." The priesthood leader has authority to forgive the sinner on behalf of the Church, or he may counsel the sinner to submit to the authority of a disciplinary council. However, the confession must be held in strict confidence unless the sinner grants permission to disclose it to the disciplinary council.[5]

Buddhism
In Buddhism, confessing one's faults to a superior is an important part of Buddhist practice. In the various sutras, followers of the Buddha confessed their wrongdoing to Buddha [1].
[edit]Islam

In Islam
confession, or declaration to be more precise, of faith is one of the five pillars of Islam (see Shahadah). The act of seeking forgiveness from God is called Istighfar. Like Judaism, confession of sins is made to God and not man (except in asking for forgiveness of the victim of the sin).
[edit]Judaism

Judaism
confession is an important part of attaining forgiveness for both sins against God and another man. However, confession of sins is made to God and not man (except in asking for forgiveness of the victim of the sin). In addition, confession in Judaism is done communally in plural. Jews confess that "We have sinned."
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Again Mr pope we can see your quite good at cutting and pasting - and advancing a political agenda-  and like most republicans - trying to convince people you are spiritual and have a heart- comes across as fake- faux.  


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At least the pope can spell.
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