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June 18, 2010, 11:08am Report to Moderator
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GB not a good analogy.  This has nothing to do with him being illegal.  It has everything to do with him being a psychopath with or without papers.
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We already have enough psychopaths in this country without letting the rest of the worlds crazies in too.
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On June 18, 2010, Arizona Republican Senator Jon Kyl told the audience at a North Tempe Tea Party town hall meeting that during a private, one-on-one meeting with President Obama in the Oval Office, the President told him, regarding securing the southern border with Mexico, “The problem is, . . . if we secure the border, then you all won’t have any reason to support ‘comprehensive immigration reform.’” [Audible gasps were heard throughout the audience.] Sen. Kyl continued, “In other words, they’re holding it hostage. They don’t want to secure the border unless and until it is combined with ‘comprehensive immigration reform.’” Sen. Kyl also said he reminded President Obama that the President and the Congress have an obligation, a duty, to secure the border. Read more...http://www.thefoxnation.com/se.....uring-border-purpose
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The White House on Monday denied Arizona Sen. Jon Kyl’s claim that President Barack Obama told him privately that he would not work to secure the border unless it was part of a comprehensive immigration reform package.

In a video that started circulating among conservative blogs over the weekend, the Arizona Republican is seen telling supporters in North Phoenix that in a private meeting in the Oval Office, Obama said “the problem” with border enforcement measures is that “if we secure the border then [Republicans] won’t have any reason to support comprehensive immigration reform.”

Kyl said the president’s supposed statement is proof that Democrats “don’t want to secure the border unless or until it is combined with comprehensive immigration reform.”

But in a statement to POLITICO, White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer denied Kyl’s account of the conversation, saying “the president didn’t say that and Senator Kyl knows it.”


Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/38789.html#ixzz0rVutiX3Z
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The White House on Monday denied Arizona Sen. Jon Kyl’s claim that President Barack Obama told him privately that he would not work to secure the border unless it was part of a comprehensive immigration reform package.

In a video that started circulating among conservative blogs over the weekend, the Arizona Republican is seen telling supporters in North Phoenix that in a private meeting in the Oval Office, Obama said “the problem” with border enforcement measures is that “if we secure the border then [Republicans] won’t have any reason to support comprehensive immigration reform.”

Kyl said the president’s supposed statement is proof that Democrats “don’t want to secure the border unless or until it is combined with comprehensive immigration reform.”

But in a statement to POLITICO, White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer denied Kyl’s account of the conversation, saying “the president didn’t say that and Senator Kyl knows it.”

“There are more resources dedicated toward border security today than ever before, but, as the President has made clear, truly securing the border will require a comprehensive solution to our broken immigration system,” Pfeiffer said.

Kyl has been one of the most outspoken critics of the president on immigration reform and has before accused Democrats of holding up border security in order to keep it as a chip to negotiate for broader reform.

Later in the video, Kyl says the reason the federal government has not secured the border is that Democrats “don’t want to do it.”

“They want to get something in return for doing their duty,” the Arizona Republican said. “You don’t have to have comprehensive reform to secure the border, but you have to secure the border to get comprehensive reform.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/38789.html#ixzz0rVuiGzPq
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Spills the beans???

A Republican Senator continues to promote partisan Conservative Propaganda... exactly what beans did he spill???

The video is designed to appear as if some secret information was revealed...

The post continues with this gem...
"Kyl said the president’s supposed statement is proof"

A SUPPOSED STATEMENT IS PROOF??? Really?
A supposed anything is proof?
I guess then if I 'suppose' that Senator Kyl is an idiot... I HAVE PROOF!

Then followed by:
"“the president didn’t say that and Senator Kyl knows it.”

It's amazing what some people will accept as PROOF!
  I guess the same people that believed in WMD's, or YellowCake from Niger, or " The insurgency in Iraq is "in the last throes,"... will believe this video.



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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I think I prefer to believe Sen Kyl as Obama has a bad habit of bending the truth so bad that it's unrecognizable. This is what Obama said and this is what Kyl says proves his point.
"There are more resources dedicated toward border security today than ever before, but, as the President has made clear, truly securing the border will require a comprehensive solution to our broken immigration system,” Pfeiffer said.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/38789.html#ixzz0rWDs8xJ1
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  I guess the same people that believed in WMD's, or YellowCake from Niger, or " The insurgency in Iraq is "in the last throes,"... will believe this video.



...Or the troops were going to be pulled out of Iraq, or $750 billion dollar stimulus would keep unemployment under 8%, or gitmo was going to be closed, or transparent and televised debate on CSPAN on the health care bill, or no lobbyist in the Obama Administration, or my favorite the simple minded campaign slogan of "Hope" and "Change"


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I hope that this administration will change in 2012.
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CICERO... Where to begin?

~ "...Or the troops were going to be pulled out of Iraq," ~

NY Times
My Plan for Iraq
By BARACK OBAMA
July 14, 2008

That is why, on my first day in office, I would give the military a new mission: ending this war.
As I’ve said many times, we must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in. We can safely redeploy our combat brigades at a pace that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010 — two years from now, and more than seven years after the war began. After this redeployment, a residual force in Iraq would perform limited missions: going after any remnants of Al Qaeda.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/14/opinion/14obama.html?_r=1

Guantanamo... in progress

Both the Bush $151Billion "Economic Stimulus Act of 2008" and the Obama Stimulus dollars failed to stop the Bush Economic Meltdown.  
It took 8 Bush years to destroy the US economy ... it will take Obama a few years to turn it around.





The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Guantanamo... in progress


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On his second day in office, President Obama took a bold step away from the Bush administration and signed an executive order to close the Guantanamo Bay detention camp within one year while suspending all military tribunals for six months. Obama said that the United States was sending the world a message that the "struggle against violence and terrorism" would be fought "in a manner that is consistent with our values and our ideals." Each day that Guantanamo remains open is another day that U.S. troops are put in further unnecessary danger. (Ref: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-progress-report/top-myths-about-closing-g_b_160891.html)


Hmm. He was sworn in in January - so by his own "promise" and "executive order", he's a bit late.

Even by your own quote, "remove them in 16 months" - he's still late, and no media coverage of ANY signs that this is moving forward, instead we just changed the playground to Afghanistan - and maybe Israel, Iran and the Koreas - that is unless he pisses off Russia again too.

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It took 8 Bush years to destroy the US economy ... it will take Obama a few years to turn it around.




    * President Bush expanded the federal budget by a historic $700 billion through 2008. President Obama would add another $1 trillion.
    * President Bush began a string of expensive finan­cial bailouts. President Obama is accelerating that course.
    * President Bush created a Medicare drug entitle­ment that will cost an estimated $800 billion in its first decade. President Obama has proposed a $634 billion down payment on a new govern­ment health care fund.
    * President Bush increased federal education spending 58 percent faster than inflation. Presi­dent Obama would double it.
    * President Bush became the first President to spend 3 percent of GDP on federal antipoverty programs. President Obama has already in­creased this spending by 20 percent.
    * President Bush tilted the income tax burden more toward upper-income taxpayers. President Obama would continue that trend.

    * President Bush presided over a $2.5 trillion increase in the public debt through 2008. Setting aside 2009 (for which Presidents Bush and Obama share responsibility for an additional $2.6 trillion in public debt), President Obama’s budget would add $4.9 trillion in public debt from the beginning of 2010 through 2016.

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bush-deficit-vs-obama-deficit-in-pictures/
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President Bush Gave the Rich a tax  cut...

President Obama gave the rest of us a tax cut.!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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President Bush Gave the Rich a tax  cut...

President Obama gave the rest of us a tax cut.!


hahahahahahah - you're kidding right? Nobody (well sombody) can be that stupid.  This was just his PROPOSAL!

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Obama's Budget: Almost $1 Trillion in New Taxes Over Next 10 yrs, Starting 2011

February 26, 2009 12:00 PM

President Obama's budget proposes $989 billion in new taxes over the course of the next 10 years, starting fiscal year 2011, most of which are tax increases on individuals.

1) On people making more than $250,000.

$338 billion - Bush tax cuts expire
$179 billlion - eliminate itemized deduction
$118 billion - capital gains tax hike

Total: $636 billion/10 years

2) Businesses:

$17 billion - Reinstate Superfund taxes
$24 billion - tax carried-interest as income
$5 billion - codify "economic substance doctrine"
$61 billion - repeal LIFO
$210 billion - international enforcement, reform deferral, other tax reform
$4 billion - information reporting for rental payments
$5.3 billion - excise tax on Gulf of Mexico oil and gas
$3.4 billion - repeal expensing of tangible drilling costs
$62 million - repeal deduction for tertiary injectants
$49 million - repeal passive loss exception for working interests in oil and natural gas properties
$13 billion - repeal manufacturing tax deduction for oil and natural gas companies
$1 billion - increase to 7 years geological and geophysical amortization period for independent producers
$882 million - eliminate advanced earned income tax credit

Total: $353 billion/10 years



His FIRST new/increased tax came less than 4 months after taking office:

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The first major tax increase from the president who promised no tax increases on 95 percent of the population goes into effect today, April 1. This is not an April Fool's Day joke - this is a tax increase that hits approximately 21 percent of adults age 18 and over, regardless of income level, and approximately 20 percent of teenagers, many of whom are not normally considered to be among the ranks of taxpaying citizens.
...
At one pack a day, the average smoker will pay an additional 62 cents per day, or $226.30 per year in additional tax. The smoker who smokes two packs per day will pay an additional $452.60 per year in tax. There are no deductions allowed that might lower this tax. There are no credits available for people who are on a fixed income or who are out of work.


http://www.accountingweb.com/item/107316


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WASHINGTON — President Obama will propose further tax increases on the affluent to help pay for his promise to make health care more accessible and affordable,


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/26/us/politics/26budget.html?_r=1&hp



Shall I go on - or has that Kool-Aid permanently scarred your gray matter?
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What's next Box, claiming Obama's giving coaching advice to our World Cup Soccer Team using an invisible cell phone?  Oh wait...Your Dear Leader from North Korea already took claim to that.


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North Korean Soccer Coach Talks to 'Dear Leader' Via Invisible Phone
Hundreds of Chinese Hired to Root for North Korea at World Cup

June 17, 2010

The North Koreans know a thing or two about secret programs, and the country's latest claim is a mysterious phone that allows Dear Leader Kim Jong-il help coach the team from afar.

North Korean manager Kim Jong-Hun reportedly gets coaching advice directly from the country's diminutive dictator via an invisible cell phone...http://abcnews.go.com/International/world-cup-2010-north-korean-coach-talks-kim/story?id=10931655


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