The Daily Gazette reports that Quail repeated Pascarella's claims that Tedisco and Amedore are behind our effort. Amedore is endorsed by the Schenectady County Conservative Party that is presently controlled by the Democrats and special interest groups. The only individual associated with the effort in which I am involved who has collected signatures on Amedore's Designating Petition was me. As Kelly stated she did not and I know this to be true.
Do Quail and Pascarella then believe that George is endorsing and/or assisting us? I welcome both his and Tedisco's endorsements of our slate of candidates.
Brad:
If the Democrats control the Conservative Party, how come just about every candidate the Conservative's endorse are Republicans? You claim that Dems control the Conservatives because some Dems carried petitions for Conservatives and becaue a couple Dems were endorsed by the Conservatives, but on the other hand- when Republicans pay thousands for Spargo, write and distribute press releases for Kelly, switch relatives into the party,etc- you do not see a problem with that.
Again, bottom line is that Kelly and the Republicans were unhappy with a couple of endorsements, so they now joined forces to attempt to divide and/or conquer the party. What do you think would happen between Kelly and the Parisi/Buchanan/ Santabarbara crew a year from now when a decision on endorsing Tommasone or some Dem comes up? It appears thus far that Tommasone is smart enough to keep Rhinesmith at a distance and not be pulled into her game. Tom and the errand boy should do the same.
Kelly should be reminded that she was one of the most vocal in the party advocating to endorse Bill Cooke (D) over Steve Tommasone (R) only a few short months ago... I think you can confirm that Brad. From what I know, Pascarela and Hamilton were in favor of endorsing Tommasone until Kelly and a few others in the party pushed to endorse Cooke. They relented and the rest is history. Was Kelly advocating for the Dem over the Conservative Republican for ideological reasons or other reasons?
As anticipated, I didn't expect you to lie for Kelly and claim that you chipped in to pay thousands of dollars thus far for Spargo's expenses- so the list is getting shorter for who is footing that bill... Brad- I do believe that you have the best interest of the Conservative Party in mind, but Kelly apparently has kept you in the dark of her activities and alliances.
She speaks out of both sides of her mouth- She fights for an endorsement of Cooke (D), head of a union and in the next breath argues that the Conservative Party is controlled by the Dems and criticizes other endorsements of dems.
In my opinion, government controlled by any 1 party- whether it be dem, rep, cons, ind, or any other is a mistake. Facilitating the Republican effort to divide the Conservative party is a mistake in my opinion.
Many people also have questioned the conservative support for Bill Cooke including myself. The general consensus was that Cooke was being endorsed by the conserv party for the Rotterdam Supervisors position to benefit the RPD contract negotiations. I also believe that Tommasone isn't 'keeping his distance' as to not be pulled into 'her game'. Tommasone did very well in the last election w/o the conservs endorsement. So this won't impact him either way.
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In my opinion, government controlled by any 1 party- whether it be dem, rep, cons, ind, or any other is a mistake.
In agreeing with you, papa, on this, and knowing that Schenectady County IS IN FACT controlled by 1 party (dems), many people are looking for change. And neither the dems or reps are offering the voters this option. The 'true conservs' appear to be trying to level the playing field. I really don't know this Kelly, but I don't think she is the beginning or end of what the 'true conservs' are trying to accomplish.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
As far as one candidate or another being beneficial to the unions- I don't see it. From what I read- the contracts have not changed much over the years regardless of who is in power. There's been decades of Republican control and decades of dems. Only the names change. Schenectady PBA has gone to arbitration many times and is there again- the politicians will have little effect on the outcome. Rotterdam cops dont have a current contract either.
I agree Tommasone doesent need the Conservatives to win, but he wouldn't get hooked up with Kelly anyway. I think she is more Gerard's type.
If the Democrats control the Conservative Party, how come just about every candidate the Conservative's endorse are Republicans? You claim that Dems control the Conservatives because some Dems carried petitions for Conservatives and becaue a couple Dems were endorsed by the Conservatives, but on the other hand- when Republicans pay thousands for Spargo, write and distribute press releases for Kelly, switch relatives into the party,etc- you do not see a problem with that.
Again, bottom line is that Kelly and the Republicans were unhappy with a couple of endorsements, so they now joined forces to attempt to divide and/or conquer the party. What do you think would happen between Kelly and the Parisi/Buchanan/ Santabarbara crew a year from now when a decision on endorsing Tommasone or some Dem comes up? It appears thus far that Tommasone is smart enough to keep Rhinesmith at a distance and not be pulled into her game. Tom and the errand boy should do the same.
Kelly should be reminded that she was one of the most vocal in the party advocating to endorse Bill Cooke (D) over Steve Tommasone (R) only a few short months ago... I think you can confirm that Brad. From what I know, Pascarela and Hamilton were in favor of endorsing Tommasone until Kelly and a few others in the party pushed to endorse Cooke. They relented and the rest is history. Was Kelly advocating for the Dem over the Conservative Republican for ideological reasons or other reasons?
As anticipated, I didn't expect you to lie for Kelly and claim that you chipped in to pay thousands of dollars thus far for Spargo's expenses- so the list is getting shorter for who is footing that bill... Brad- I do believe that you have the best interest of the Conservative Party in mind, but Kelly apparently has kept you in the dark of her activities and alliances.
She speaks out of both sides of her mouth- She fights for an endorsement of Cooke (D), head of a union and in the next breath argues that the Conservative Party is controlled by the Dems and criticizes other endorsements of dems.
In my opinion, government controlled by any 1 party- whether it be dem, rep, cons, ind, or any other is a mistake. Facilitating the Republican effort to divide the Conservative party is a mistake in my opinion.
Since Brad wasn't present for most of the discussions regarding your concerns, allow me to give you some insight papa. The only Republicans endorsed last year were in TOWN races, except of course McNulty's nephew Steve Swinton for Niskayuna Justice, who was promptly thrown off the Conservative line in a primary. This is the trade off for the COUNTY endorsements. After all, it is the COUNTY these communists(aka Demokratz) need to control to advance their socialist agenda. They know that eventually the towns will be sucked up into that vaccuum. This is not the first time the Kratz have carried Conservative Committee petitions - they have ALWAYS done this for whichever of their union operatives are in place at the time. They did the same for Smokey Brown, and everyone before him. And it is not just a couple of Demokratz doing this...it is Demokrat County Attorney Chris Gardner and his Demokrat staff; Demokrat Niskayuna Supervisor Joe Landry; Demokrat attorney Mark Caruso; Demokrat candidate for Senate Fred Goodman;Demokrat Election Commissioner/Demokrat Chairman Brian Quail; and the list goes on and on. And we will never be upset over CONSERVATIVE Democrats being endorsed, which is why we endorsed Bill Cooke. NO ONE disputed his endorsement...I was there. I have no problem with Steve Tommasone personally, and I know he is conservative as well. The differentiating factor was competence. On Spargo, you are merely speculating on who paid him and how much simply because it fits nicely into your delusional assertions of Republican involvement in our efforts. And by the way, I write my own material, whether they are press releases or otherwise. I have no control over who distributes that material to whom. On Santabarbara, the only relatives of his who switched into the Conservative Party are his mother and father, who were rightfully upset over denying Angelo the Conservative endorsement and wanted to join those who helped him take his rightful place on that line. I do not speak out of both sides of my mouth. I have always contended that we do not care whether candidates are Republican Democrat or otherwise, only that they are of the CONSERVATIVE variety. So "what you know" isn't much: Pascarella and Hamilton supported Cooke's endorsement - it was unanimous. Hamilton controls the proxies, he doesn't have to "relent" to anything. And by the way, the ONLY contested Republican this year who was endorsed at this invalid meeting was Carol Carpenter in the Scotia Village Trustee race, then she was promtly ditched at the authorization - even though there was never another meeting to recind that endorsement. Randy Pascarella told me himself that he told Carpenter that if her Chairman didn't call him he would not sign her authorization. And for the record I keep NO ONE in the dark - not our CONSERVATIVE organizers, candidates, objectors or supporters - and certainly not our Committeemen, who Hamilton never bothered to notify of our full Committee meeting to endorse candidates. We are always happy to tell them about what we're doing, and they are happy to finally have someone who tells them EVERYTHING. Now, if I may, let me reiterate my earlier statement, with just one minor amendment: You, sir, are a CLUELESS a**.
I can't tell if Papa is trying to bait gadfly - or the other way around.
I'm taking NO sides in this debate - been there, done that, it aint pretty. I won't say Kelly is right, I won't say the other side is right - I'm staying out of it until I form my OWN, ADULT decision based on the facts as I see them - not in dribs and drolls as it's handed to me (like from the gazette)
Wouldn't it be great, for the residents and people that may be considering voting for Republicans, Conservatives, Democrats, etc if yall just told us who you are, what position you're taking and why. Talk like adults, not like children using the media, in any form, to express your viewpoints, concerns and most importantly PLANS on how to make things better.
Then maybe we could make up our own minds, not be subject to the squabbling, back stabbing, childish antics of SOME operatives. Let's put down the petty bullshit, put your plans on the table - let the adult voters decide which they want to endorse on election day.
I can't tell if Papa is trying to bait gadfly - or the other way around.
I'm taking NO sides in this debate - been there, done that, it aint pretty. I won't say Kelly is right, I won't say the other side is right - I'm staying out of it until I form my OWN, ADULT decision based on the facts as I see them - not in dribs and drolls as it's handed to me (like from the gazette)
Wouldn't it be great, for the residents and people that may be considering voting for Republicans, Conservatives, Democrats, etc if yall just told us who you are, what position you're taking and why. Talk like adults, not like children using the media, in any form, to express your viewpoints, concerns and most importantly PLANS on how to make things better.
Then maybe we could make up our own minds, not be subject to the squabbling, back stabbing, childish antics of SOME operatives. Let's put down the petty bullshit, put your plans on the table - let the adult voters decide which they want to endorse on election day.
I agree wholeheartedly Mobile. We want you to know who we are, our position and our motivation: We are enrolled Conservatives who are conservative. Our position is that we do not want the Democrats or any other party controlling our destiny. Our motivation is simple: To return the Conservative Party to its rightful owners, who will be loyal to the members and ideology of our party. We are very anxious to let the voters decide, since we have the overwhelming advantage in terms of support: We know full well, as do our opponents, that the vast majority of enrolled Conservatives are in fact conservative and support our efforts. Thanks for the list of new members who conveniently registered in the last several days since this thread started...I'm sure we can all take a pretty good guess as to their identities. And by the way Mobile, how did you get "bullshit" in here in its entirety, while I get asterisks in the a**?
Will Brad or Kelly just say who paid Spargo and just put this to rest. You both dance around the question. If you each kicked in 5k thats great. If the Reps. did it to teach the current board a lesson thats great also. No one cares either way so just tell the truth and be done with it.
Who paid Spargo is a good question, but rather irrelevant. Like Brad said earlier: "The enemy of your enemy is your friend". The real question is...... How did the current Conservative Party lose control overnight? I think the current party leaders know they've been found out and the charade is over. Thanks to forums like this. Now they're scrambling and smearing in an attempt to hold control. Personally I believe it's too late. Whatever they may say about this Kelly woman, it looks like they've been outwitted.
What I find interesting is the apparent resistant an ill-willed attitude toward those newly enrolled party members challenging party form those in the current leadership. It reminds me of the fighting that usually happens between Democrats and Republicans. during an election campaign. You would think the new enrollments would be welcomed by ALL conservatives, by strengthen the party, making it more relevant in the County. It will be interesting to see if this grassroots challenge is successful, how many of the current COPservatives will change enrollment. Only then will we truly know the motives of the current Conservative leadership, and learn that the emperor has no clothes.
As far as one candidate or another being beneficial to the unions- I don't see it. From what I read- the contracts have not changed much over the years regardless of who is in power. There's been decades of Republican control and decades of dems. Only the names change. Schenectady PBA has gone to arbitration many times and is there again- the politicians will have little effect on the outcome. Rotterdam cops dont have a current contract either.
If politicians, whether dem or rep, have little effect on the outcome of a police contract....then what was all of the black tee-shirt hub bub about when there was a police commission proposed in Rotterdam? From what you are saying, a police commission would have had little effect on a contractual police department.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Will Brad or Kelly just say who paid Spargo and just put this to rest. You both dance around the question. If you each kicked in 5k thats great. If the Reps. did it to teach the current board a lesson thats great also. No one cares either way so just tell the truth and be done with it.
If no one cares, why is a certain group of members on this forum so obsessed with it?
If it is irrelevant why wont anyone answer it ?? I would like to know.
I guess when I say irrelevant, I'm saying it isn't going to change the end results of the party's primary. Not to mention....... Historically, the NYS Conservative Party endorses Republicans the majority of the time. The New York Conservative party was formed in protest of the more liberal Rockefeller Republicans. Using the Party's endorsement to move Republicans to the right politically. So ideological conservative Republicans and Conservatives wouldn't be an unusual allegiance. Even if the rank and file who are truly conservative discovered Party Conservatives were receiving support from conservative Republicans, I don't believe it's enough of a reason to vote back in the current party leaders who have a track record of giving the party line to liberal democrats.
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