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I dont know about you, but wine makes me happy......

Not to mention the oppresors and the powers that be in the Sudan are muslim......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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holocaust  
  


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Main Entry: ho·lo·caust  
Pronunciation: \ˈhō-lə-ˌkȯst, ˈhä- also -ˌkäst or ˈhȯ-lə-kȯst\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Late Latin holocaustum, from Greek holokauston, from neuter of holokaustos burnt whole, from hol- + kaustos burnt, from kaiein to burn — more at caustic
Date: 13th century
1: a sacrifice consumed by fire
2: a thorough destruction involving extensive loss of life especially through fire
3 aoften capitalized : the mass slaughter of European civilians and especially Jews by the Nazis during World War II —usually used with the b: a mass slaughter of people; especially : genocide


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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I dont know about you, but wine makes me happy......


Gotcha!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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Oh come on there BK....the only thing that ever came out of France was French fries and french kissing! Well, I guess they could go over to the Sudan and feed them french fries and kiss the living hell out em'!!!


Excus me, do you mean Freedom Fries?  
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France also has quite a few unused army rifles too.
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France also has quite a few unused army rifles too left over from ww11.
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Pope, Prodi to meet Sudan leader  
  By FRANCES D'EMILIO, Associated Press
Friday, September 14, 2007

ROME -- Sudan's President Omar al-Bashir said Friday his government is ready to implement a cease-fire with rebel forces at the start of peace talks over the conflict in Darfur, scheduled for next month in Libya.
  
"We have announced we are available (to put in place) a cease-fire with the start of the negotiations to create a positive climate," al-Bashir said at a news conference following talks with Italian Premier Romano Prodi.

Al-Bashir's regime has regularly agreed to cease-fires in the past and all have been quickly breached by the parties involved in the conflict.

Later Friday, al-Bashir is expected to meet Pope Benedict XVI.

The trip is a rare, high-profile visit to Western Europe that has raised concern from human rights advocates and some politicians.

Al-Bashir, who came to power in 1989 in a coup, arrived in Rome a few weeks before the expected deployment of an international peacekeeping force to try to improve the security situation in the war-ravaged western region of Darfur.

More than 200,000 people have died and 2.5 million have been uprooted since ethnic African rebels in Darfur took up arms against the Arab-dominated Sudanese government in 2003.

Sudan's government is accused of retaliating by unleashing a militia of Arab nomads known as the "janjaweed," a charge Khartoum denies.

Al-Bashir opened his talks early Friday with a meeting in Rome with Italian Premier Romano Prodi, who defended the visit as a "useful" way to press Sudan to make good on its pledges concerning Darfur.

Al-Bashir is then scheduled to have a private audience with Benedict at the papal summer residence in Castel Gandolfo.

That could offer an opportunity for the pontiff to make plain his anguish over Darfur. Benedict has said the Holy See is willing to do everything possible to end what he has described as "horror" in Darfur.

The Sudanese president's trip to Italy includes "his first bilateral meeting with a European head of state for quite many years," Sudan's Foreign Ministry spokesman Ali Sadiq said.

Al-Bashir will meet with Italy's head of state, President Giorgio Napolitano, when he returns to Rome following the talks with the pope.

"The goal of this visit is to improve the dialogue of civilizations, and the dialogue between Christianity and Islam," the spokesman said.

Sadiq said al-Bashir would explain to the pope "what steps the government is taking to alleviate the suffering of people in southern Sudan and Darfur."

But there was concern among human rights groups about what the visit would achieve.

"The human rights situation in Sudan continues to be one of the most pressing humanitarian crises in the world today, and one to which the international community has failed for far too long to provide an effective response," Amnesty International said in a statement from its European Union office.

"Against this background, Amnesty International finds it remarkable that the Italian government has decided to receive" al-Bashir.

Prodi responded to criticism by noting that the visit comes after the U.N. Security Council unanimously voted in July to deploy a U.N.-African Union peacekeeping force for Darfur, and after the announcement of the resumption of peace talks between the government and rebels.
The visit by al-Bashir "constitutes a useful occasion to underline our common concerns and the expectations of Italy, Europe and the entire international community for the stabilization of the country and a solution to the Darfur crisis," Prodi said in a statement.

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Rebel forces kill
10 peacekeepers
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   HASKANITA, Sudan — Rebel forces stormed a small African Union base in northern Darfur and killed at least 10 peacekeepers, leaving behind charred armored vehicles and bombed out barracks in an unprecedented attack on the beleaguered mission that threatened upcoming peace talks.
   More than 30 peacekeepers were still missing by late Sunday, indicating the death toll from the attack could rise significantly.
   About 1,000 rebels from the Sudan Liberation Army attacked the base outside the town of Haskanita Saturday after sunset when Muslims break their daytime fast for the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, AU officers told The Associated Press Sunday at the scene of the attack.
   The rebels eventually stormed the base early Sunday, they said.
   The Sudanese army routed the rebels Sunday and the remaining AU peacekeepers were evacuated under the protection of the army.
   “This is the heaviest loss of life and the biggest attack on the African Union mission,” said AU spokesman Noureddine Mezni. “Our troops fought a defensive battle to protect the camp, but 30 vehicles eventually stormed it. . . . The camp is completely destroyed.”
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Jimmy Carter confronts Sudan officials  
  
By ALFRED de MONTESQUIOU, Associated Press
Wednesday, October 3, 2007

KABKABIYA, Sudan -- Former President Jimmy Carter confronted Sudanese security services on a visit to Darfur Wednesday, shouting "You don't have the power to stop me!" at some who blocked him from meeting refugees of the conflict.
  
The 83-year-old Carter, in Darfur as part of a delegation of respected international figures known as "The Elders," wanted to visit a refugee camp. But the U.N. mission in Sudan deemed that too dangerous.

Instead, Carter agreed to fly to the World Food Program compound in the North Darfur town of Kabkabiya, where he was supposed to meet with ethnic African refugees, many of whom were chased from their homes by militias and the Arab-dominated government's forces.

But none of the refugees showed up and Carter decided to walk into the town -- a volatile stronghold of the pro-government janjaweed militia -- to meet refugees too frightened to attend the meeting at the compound.

He was able to make it to a school where he met with one tribal representative and was preparing to go further into town when Sudanese security officers stopped him.

"You can't go," the local chief of the feared Sudanese secret police, who only gave his first name as Omar, ordered Carter. "It's not on the program!"

"We're going to anyway!" an angry Carter retorted as a small crowd began to gather around. "You don't have the power to stop me."

However, U.N. officials told Carter's entourage the powerful Sudanese state police could bar his way.

"We've got to move, or someone is going to get shot," warned one of the U.N. staff accompanying the delegation.

Carter's traveling companions, billionaire businessman Richard Branson and Graca Machel, the wife of former South African President Nelson Mandela, tried to ease his frustration and his Secret Service detail urged him to get into a car and leave.

"I'll tell President Bashir about this," Carter said, referring to Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir.

Omar, the security chief, said Carter had already breached security once by walking to the school and would not be allowed to breach it again.

"We are in the security field. We're not that flexible," he said after the confrontation ended.

In an interview with The Associated Press later in the day, Carter played down the encounter, saying the security chief was only doing his job.

"But it's true that I'm not accustomed to people telling me I can't walk down the street and meet people," he told the AP after returning to a United Nations compound in El Fasher, the capital of North Darfur state.

Branson said some refugees had slipped notes in his pockets.

"We (are) still suffering from the war as our girls are being raped on a daily basis," read one of the notes, translated from Arabic, that Branson handed to the AP.

The note said that on Sept. 26, a group of girls had been raped, one of them a 10-year-old, and that a refugee had been shot two days ago. Branson said it had been handed over by an ethnic African man.

"All (refugees) living in the town of Kabkabiya are vulnerable prisoners who live under injustice and intimidation," the note also said.

For the most part, the refugees here appeared too frightened to speak to the visiting delegation. The single refugee representative Carter managed to meet at the school pleaded with an AP reporter out of earshot of Sudanese security for Carter to ensure he would not face government retaliation. Carter then went back to the man and wrote down his name, assuring him he would look out for his safety.
Most of the community leaders the mission met during its two-day visit to Darfur appeared to be government-vetted, and several ethnic African delegates told AP they had been intimidated by authorities into turning down invitations from "the Elders."

"This illustrates the challenges that communities and humanitarian workers face in Darfur," said Orla Clinton, spokeswoman for the U.N. Mission in Sudan, who witnessed the incident.

More than 200,000 people have been killed since the conflict in the western Sudanese region of Darfur began in 2003 when ethnic African rebels took up arms against the Arab-dominated Sudanese government, accusing it of decades of discrimination. Sudan's government is accused of retaliating by unleashing a militia of Arab nomads known as the janjaweed -- a charge it denies.

The visit by "The Elders," which is headed by Nobel Peace Prize laureates Carter and Desmond Tutu, is largely a symbolic move by a host of respected figures to push all sides to make peace.

The group made Darfur its first mission, trying to use their influence at a crucial time in the conflict. A peacekeeping force of 26,000 United Nations and African Union troops is to begin deploying later this month while new peace talks between the government and rebels are set for the end of the month in Libya.

Tensions in Darfur are running high after rebels overran an African Union peacekeeping base in northern Darfur over the weekend, killing 10 in the deadliest attack on the beleaguered force since it arrived in the region three years ago.

Tutu led a separate group to a refugee camp in South Darfur, where he told British Broadcasting Corp. radio the joint African Union-U.N. force was needed immediately.

"It's awful that AMIS (African Mission in Sudan) should be allowed to be here when it is so inadequately equipped -- I mean they couldn't evacuate their injured from the camp after the attack because they don't have military helicopters," he said, referring to the weekend attack on the African Union base.

Carter accused the international community of neglect for taking too long to mobilize over Darfur.

"Because of Iraq, this crisis had been simmering at a lower level," he told the AP.

However, he said he disagreed with Bush and others who called the killings in Darfur a genocide.

"Rwanda was definitely a genocide; what Hitler did to the Jews was; but I don't think it's the case in Darfur," Carter said. "I think Darfur is a crime against humanity, but done on a micro scale. A dozen janjaweed attacking here and there," he said, noting many refugees have survived the violence.

"I don't think the commitment was to exterminate a whole group of people, but to chase them from their water holes and lands, killing them in the process at random," he said. "I think you can call it ethnic cleansing."

He also vowed to hold world powers to their pledge of ending this "crime against humanity."
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Darfur town razed, 15,000 flee
Sudanese army had control of site

BY ALFRED DE MONTESQUIOU The Associated Press

   KHARTOUM, Sudan — A Darfur town under the control of Sudanese troops has been razed in apparent retaliation for a rebel attack on a nearby base of African peacekeepers. U.N. officials who inspected the town said Sunday that about 15,000 civilians had fl ed the area.
   International aid workers and U.N. offi cials dismissed claims by some rebel chiefs that 100 people had died in the North Darfur town of Haskanita. The officials said the town emptied as the army moved in Sept. 30, and troops started burning it on Wednesday.
   A U.N. statement did not say who set fi re to the ethnic African town but said Sudanese government forces took control after suspected Darfur rebels attacked the nearby base of African Union peacekeepers a week ago, killing 10 peacekeepers.
   Haskanita, “which is currently under the control of the government, was completely burned down, except for a few buildings,” said the U.N. mission to Sudan.
   A U.N. official who had just returned from Haskanita said it was clear that the army or its allied militias of nomad Arabs known as the janjaweed were behind it. The Arab-dominated government and the janjaweed militias are accused of regularly burning ethnic African villages as part of their counterinsurgency campaign against rebels.
   The official said a full army battalion of 800 troops was stationed at the entrance of the smoldering town, which was otherwise empty.
   “There’s absolutely no doubt the army and janjaweed did it,” the offi - cial said on condition of anonymity because the Sudanese government regularly expels observers who speak out against abuses.
   An Associated Press reporter saw Haskanita intact Sept. 30 when the army moved in, though plumes of smoke could already be seen rising from several nearby villages. The town had about 7,000 people, and the other thousands fled from surrounding areas, said Orla Clinton, a spokeswoman in Sudan for the U.N. Office for Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs.
   The rebel attack on the base came amid a government offensive that had been raging for two weeks in the same region. Some rebels have said the attack on the AU peacekeepers may have happened because some rebel groups suspected the AU of collaboration with Sudanese forces, something the AU sharply denies.
   U.N. spokeswoman Radhia Achouri said it would be up to the African Union to investigate who was behind the town’s destruction.
   Sudan’s government denies backing the janjaweed, who have been accused of the worst atrocities in Darfur. More than 200,000 people have died and 2.5 million have been chased from their homes since ethnic African rebels took up arms against the central government in February 2003, accusing it of discrimination.  


  
  
  

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Events target Sudan crisis  
First published: Tuesday, October 16, 2007

SCHENECTADY -- Local Amnesty International activists and Sudanese refugees living in the Capital Region are organizing two events Saturday to raise awareness of the crisis in Sudan.
  
At 2 p.m., a free discussion will be held at the Schenectady Public Library, 99 Clinton St., Schenectady. Officials and activists including Mohamed Elgadi, Group Against Torture in Sudan; Zainelabdin Eltayib Osman, American African Foundation; Matthew Kennis, Amnesty International USA; and Tamador Gibreele, a Sudanese vocalist, will talk openly about life in the African country.

A benefit dinner will follow the discussion at 7 p.m. at the Friendship House, 955 State St., Schenectady.

The benefit will feature traditional cuisine, performances by Hadi Ahmed and Gibreele, a selection of artworks by the painter Abdul Wahab Babiker Ali and a workshop on dance and henna art for attendees.

There is a $25 suggested donation for the dinner. All funds raised through the event will benefit the American African Foundation and Amnesty International's Instant Karma campaign. For information, visit http://www.timesunion.com/ communities/ai or call 810-8149 or 374-4218.



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Link Darfur and Olympics

    If state-sanctioned killing were an Olympic sport, Sudan would get the gold medal, hands down. For the past four years, the government there has presided over a genocide, unleashing its proxy militia, the Arab Janjaweed, to “cleanse” Sudan of black Muslims. The international community has little influence or leverage with the Sudanese government, but China, proud host of the 2008 Summer Olympics, does. It should be pressured, hard, to use it.
    Last spring Beijing showed signs of doing just that after two longtime Darfur activists, actress Mia Farrow and Smith College professor Eric Reeves, started referring to the upcoming games as the “Genocide Olympics.”
    The Chinese regime, which considers the games a coming out party for the new, hipper, economically ascendant China, responded almost immediately. A senior official was dispatched to Sudan to push the Sudanese government to accept a United Nations peacekeeping force, which it had previously refused to do. Soon after, Sudan agreed to accept a U.N. force of 20,000 to supplement the inadequate 7,000-member African Union force already there, as well as agreeing to stop supplying the Janjaweed with arms. Those arms come mostly from China, which also buys most of Sudan’s oil.
    But the Sudanese government has a history of bargaining in bad faith and reneging on every promise, doing just enough to buy time and avoid international sanctions. In August, Amnesty International said the government was continuing to deploy military equipment in Darfur in “breathtaking defiance” of the U.N. arms embargo.
    And Beijing, after its earlier display of concern, is back to its old role of uncritically supporting and defending the Sudanese government.
    The pictures that come from China next summer will be positive and sanitized; there will be no demonstrations. Now is the time, in the months remaining before the games, to turn up the heat on the Chinese government and the corporate sponsors of the Olympics and shame them into action. Bringing peace to Darfur would be a true example of the Olympic spirit.
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