I think you need to change your demeaning name that you call the citizens. How about Nattering Nabobs of Negativism? That would be original. Or insurgents; try that one. Or you can graduate right up to terrorist, or criminal, and save some time in the evolution of your lexicon.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Nothing was HIDDEN from the residents by town officials.

The meeting was publicized.

The only evasion of answering questions came from the Mohawk Ambulance side.

That is a lie and you know it Ron. Mohawk answered every question posed to them, and answered them thoroughly...unlike REMS who
was asked nothing...and certain members of the administration. Their presentation was impressive...with relevant information...while
REMS recruited Tony Jasenski to do their talking for them in their non-existent presentation...because they cannot compete with
what Mohawk has offered and they know it. Tony's "presentation" was nothing more than a walk down memory lane...conveniently
failing to mention some of the bad memories...while his commentary had no basis in fiscal prudence.

Quoted from GrahamBonnet

I think you need to change your demeaning name that you call the citizens. How about Nattering Nabobs of Negativism? That would be original. Or insurgents; try that one. Or you can graduate right up to terrorist, or criminal, and save some time in the evolution of your lexicon.

actually .. the Perpetual Negativity Choir is reserved for the chronic complainers and mudslingers who post
on this site

I have great respect for the citizens of Rotterdam but not for the Nattering Nabobs of Negativism  like you
(which is
a Spriro Agnew quote -- and actually a good one from a good man - Agnew that is being a good guy)  

Quoted from gadfly

That is a lie and you know it Ron. Mohawk answered every question posed to them, and answered them thoroughly...unlike REMS who
was asked nothing...and certain members of the administration. Their presentation was impressive...with relevant information...while
REMS recruited Tony Jasenski to do their talking for them in their non-existent presentation...because they cannot compete with
what Mohawk has offered and they know it. Tony's "presentation" was nothing more than a walk down memory lane...conveniently
failing to mention some of the bad memories...while his commentary had no basis in fiscal prudence.

Tony dida great job as did the folks from REMS ...  and Mohawk did duck some questions

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Tony dida great job as did the folks from REMS ...  and Mohawk did duck some questions

Actually, REMS ducked the point of the entire night, with the exception of begging to be able to bill for ALS, which would be money going directly to the town, not to REMS.  I don't see how that would affect them.  The fact is that they need to get through things and it appeared to me that nobody knew whether it was REMS lawyers or the town's lawyers that were holding this up, or had it in their hands right now.  The fact is, even if that passes, that would not supply any additional money for REMS, only that REMS would be able to bill for the ALS, which they would have to turn over directly to the town... then beg for it back so they could pay their bills?  Maybe?

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

so ???

ya i was being sarcastic.......now do you understand!!!!

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ROTTERDAM
Town residents pack forum on ambulance services
BY JUSTIN MASON Gazette Reporter

    One company is the non-profi t ambulance service that has served Rotterdam for more than seven decades. The other is a for-profit ambulance service pledging to save money for the town if they’re provided with a contract.
    Members of the Town Board and a standing-room-only crowd of residents heard proposals from Rotterdam Emergency Medical Services Inc. and Mohawk Ambulance Inc. during an informational forum Wednesday evening. The purpose was to allow each company to explain why their service would best suit the town’s needs before board members set the date for a referendum vote that will decide whether property owners are in favor of establishing a tax district to pay for ambulance service.
    Richard Brandt, Mohawk’s vice president of operations, said his company wouldn’t require any additional tax. In fact, he said Mohawk could end up saving the town upward of $200,000 by alleviating the need for subsidy to the ambulance service and by turning over all money billed to patients who use the advanced life support services provided by the town paramedics.
    Brandt said Mohawk would purchase or lease one of the existing ambulance garages in Rotterdam and dedicate one rig to serve the town around the clock, seven days per week. In the event the dedicated ambulance is tied up on a call, he said, additional ambulances could be moved into Rotterdam from the surrounding communities of Glenville, Niskayuna and Schenectady, which all contract with the company.
    “We know we can do the job,” he said. “We know we can save your community money.” Mohawk would make money by billing patients who are transported by ambulance.
    Speaking on the behalf of REMS, county Legislator Tony Jasenski said the non-profi t company could provide an even better service than Mohawk for a subsidy that would amount to about $15 per year for a resident owning a house worth $150,000. He said this amount is bound to decrease as REMS creates a vehicle replacement plan and begins billing for those patients needing the advanced life support services provided by the town paramedics.
    Historically, REMS has not billed for the care paramedics have provided since they were incorporated into the Rotterdam Police Department in 1979. The company has submitted a plan to enact such billing — the same proposed by Mohawk — to the town attorney’s offi ce.
    But above all, Jasenski pointed to the intangibles offered by REMS. He said the company was saved from the brink of insolvency in 2008 by a group of dedicated volunteers, some of whom together paid upward of $4,000 a month to cover costs while the ambulance service’s fi nances were on the mend. ........................>>>>.......................>>>>......................http://www.dailygazette.net/De.....r01200&AppName=1

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Rotterdam ambulance service up for grabs

John Purcell 09/15/10
Mohawk and REMS present Town Board with separate proposals

Rotterdam Town Board members are looking at the future of ambulance service in town and are scheduled to hear from at least two providers at a meeting tonight, Wednesday, Sept. 15 at 7 p.m. at Town Hall.

The town has gone through several ambulance providers through the years, which ultimately led to a consolidation of services and a contract with REMS, which costs the town $120,000 a year. James McPartlon, vice president of Mohawk Ambulance Services said his service will provide a revenue source of around $100,000 for the town and will require no subsidies.

Joe Vanderwerker, president of REMS Board of Directors, said the ambulance service’s nonprofit status makes it more reliable for residents.

“You’re getting quality EMS service for the town, and you’re going to get it forever,” said Vanderwerker.

He said a letter came “out of the blue” requesting REMS to give a presentation on Sept. 15 on why the town should continue to use its services.

“We are being forced to do this, and there is no way around this. … We have no choice to give the presentation,” said Vanderwerker. “I was really pissed off about it because we have been providing service since 1936 for the town.”

REMS has had some financial difficulties in the past resulting in unpaid taxes, but Vanderwerker said the organization is “in the black” in regard to IRS payments and plan to have them paid off by 2012.

Mohawk’s McPartlon said his service will result in savings for the town.

“What we’ve purposed to do is provide the town a revenue stream for the services that are provided by their paramedics,” said McPartlon. “I’m not asking for a subsidy and I’m not asking for a tax district so there is substantial financial savings to the town and the residents. Yeah, we bill, but so does REMS and frankly they bill just as much as we do.”

Vanderwerker has said REMS would like to set up a taxing district for their service, similar to how fire departments have fire districts. Overseeing it would be a five-member board serving five-year terms and elected by the public.

“If we did put in for a tax district, said Vanderwerker, “our payroll will come strictly out of our insurance billing.”

Vanderwerker said Town Supervisor Frank Del Gallo’s suggestion that REMS be run like a business is unrealistic because it is providing a vital service to residents.

“I’m not against [Mohawk], these are just the facts; they can’t do it and we can,” said Vanderwerker.

McPartlon said he believes Mohawk is actually a better fit for the town.

“Our proposal to the town has been the same since day one, and we are unwavering in our belief that we can provide better service to the town at a more reasonable economic level than they are currently getting,” said McPartlon.

Vanderwerker said he worries about Mohawk being the sole ambulance provider for the town.

“If … they have a monopoly on Rotterdam and if all of a sudden they don’t meet their commitment, there is going to be a lot of irate residents,” said Vanderwerker. “Mohawk also is a for-profit organization and Rotterdam EMS is a nonprofit organization. If they start to lose money and they raise their rates, you are going to be stuck with them.”

Richard Brandt, vice president of operations at Mohawk, said they have a proven service record with other communities.

“If we didn’t perform well in other markets and other places, we wouldn’t be here to talk to you today,” said Brandt.

Also, Brandt said if Mohawk were chosen, REMS employees would be given a hiring preference.

“We would give them preference in hiring as long as they are qualified and meet our admission standards,” said Brandt.

http://www.spotlightnews.com/news/view_news.php?news_id=1284571723

It comes down to   tax-v-no tax.  The answer for me is obvious.

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The town has gone through several ambulance providers through the years, which ultimately led to a consolidation of services and a contract with REMS, which costs the town $120,000 a year. James McPartlon, vice president of Mohawk Ambulance Services said his service will provide a revenue source of around $100,000 for the town and will require no subsidies.

By my math, that would be a $220K net gain for the Town.  Over 10 years, that's $2.2 million.  You could float a $2 millon 10 year bond with that new revenue.  Updated infrastructure?  Sewers?

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

actually .. the Perpetual Negativity Choir is reserved for the chronic complainers and mudslingers who post
on this site

I have great respect for the citizens of Rotterdam but not for the Nattering Nabobs of Negativism  like you
(which is
a Spriro Agnew quote -- and actually a good one from a good man - Agnew that is being a good guy)  

You are singing to the wrong choir here DVR. You, whoever you are, are like every other liberal socialist who doesn't have a leg to stand on so you 'choose', like your counterparts, to call the opposition chronic complainers and mudslingers!!! HOW DARE YOU!!!  The liberal socialist continues to tax and spend recklessly and yet continue to blame administrations from over a decade ago.

Well mr/s DVR.....PEOPLE ARE MAD  and rightfully so!! This present white house administration is taking control of every facet of government without ever acknowledging that it was the pathetic loan practices that killed the economy. Just ask barney frank!

Locally....people are sick and tired of the metroplex, the additional fees, the high taxes, the patronage jobs, the union influence, the poor planning, the incompetence and lack of intelligence in government, the increased crime, just to name a few REAL concerns.

GB is correct.....why not just call the opposition terrorists!!! You people are beyond pathetic and clearly un-american!!! The liberal socialists have stooped to a new low....cause they ain't got nothing else!!! IMHO

Quoted from bumblethru

You are singing to the wrong choir here DVR. You, whoever you are, are like every other liberal socialist who doesn't have a leg to stand on so you 'choose', like your counterparts, to call the opposition chronic complainers and mudslingers!!! HOW DARE YOU!!!  The liberal socialist continues to tax and spend recklessly and yet continue to blame administrations from over a decade ago.

Well mr/s DVR.....PEOPLE ARE MAD  and rightfully so!! This present white house administration is taking control of every facet of government without ever acknowledging that it was the pathetic loan practices that killed the economy. Just ask barney frank!

Locally....people are sick and tired of the metroplex, the additional fees, the high taxes, the patronage jobs, the union influence, the poor planning, the incompetence and lack of intelligence in government, the increased crime, just to name a few REAL concerns.

GB is correct.....why not just call the opposition terrorists!!! You people are beyond pathetic and clearly un-american!!! The liberal socialists have stooped to a new low....cause they ain't got nothing else!!! IMHO

     AMEN!

Quoted from bumblethru

You are singing to the wrong choir here DVR. You, whoever you are, are like every other liberal socialist who doesn't have a leg to stand on so you 'choose', like your counterparts, to call the opposition chronic complainers and mudslingers!!! HOW DARE YOU!!!  The liberal socialist continues to tax and spend recklessly and yet continue to blame administrations from over a decade ago.
Well mr/s DVR.....PEOPLE ARE MAD  and rightfully so!! This present white house administration is taking control of every facet of government without ever acknowledging that it was the pathetic loan practices that killed the economy. Just ask barney frank!
Locally....people are sick and tired of the metroplex, the additional fees, the high taxes, the patronage jobs, the union influence, the poor planning, the incompetence and lack of intelligence in government, the increased crime, just to name a few REAL concerns.
GB is correct.....why not just call the opposition terrorists!!! You people are beyond pathetic and clearly un-american!!! The liberal socialists have stooped to a new low....cause they ain't got nothing else!!! IMHO

and yet .. you insist on calling me a "liberal socialist" -- as if all persons who are
registered Democrats are "liberal socialists" ..   and how DARE you call me unAmerican.
I may have called you folks the "perpetual negativity choir" but I have NEVER suggested that you were
unAmerican or terrorists .. and certainly haven't mislabeled your political ideology by jumping to a
conclusion.

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Speaking on the behalf of REMS, county Legislator Tony Jasenski said the non-profi t company could provide an even better service than Mohawk for a subsidy that would amount to about $15 per year for a resident owning a house worth $150,000. He said this amount is bound to decrease as REMS creates a vehicle replacement plan and begins billing for those patients needing the advanced life support services provided by the town paramedics.

here's a GIANT piece of government sh*t to choke on........hahahahahahahahahahaha....what trough is that they eat out of?....it's a wonder they
all dont have mad cow disease......