Quoted from benny salami

This was KR third major victory in a couple of months. She was a constant fixture at TH rallying the opposition and answering false charges. Brain M was also a big winner. Instead of hiding in the tall grasses they actually took a public position AGAINST this new taxing district. That's called leadership. Something completely missing in this socialistic County.

      Many other people have egg on their faces today. Including the County Library bored that also wanted a separate taxing entity. Many others ended their political careers. Remember next November.

DV- kiss your "future run for office" goodbye if you continue to go against the will of the people.  You will lose.  Many political careers have been tarnished by this vote.  Kudos to those local Dems and Reps who "get it."

Quoted from alleykat

And btw, he was a HUGE Conservative.  An unspeakable loss to our family.  True stories of life and the heart are only politicized if the hearer makes that interpretation.  I find your comment over the line.

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Well your taxes are will stay lower and I have a dead brother-in-law because the response time was not what it should have been.  My sister and my baby niece are alone this Christmas because the ambulance couldn't find the house.  I wouldn't want to see any family suffer the way my family is. Maybe some of you should begin thinking with a wider scope.

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Quoted from CICERO

When you accuse me of being narrow minded for voting NO to create a tax district because of your unfortunate incident, that may have not turned out any different if REMS received the call, IS politicizing the issue.  You have no proof REMS response time would be any different.  

A tax districts will never prevent human error.  Your emotional argument that your brother-in-law would be living today if REMS were dispatched is falacious.

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           First, alleykat let me assure you that no one on this Forum is insensitive to your family's loss.  We can only imagine the impact this type of loss has to your family.  I think it is wrong and unfair to blame an ambulance service unless you have medical information that indicates specifically that the delay was directly linked to the unfortunate outcome you described.  I have ran many marathons in my younger years and periodically a marathoner will collapse and die during competition.  Many professional athletes collapse and cannot be revived.  There are situations when it makes no sense at all, and one can only justify it as their time was up.  As difficult as this is, we have to acknowkledge human frailty and the fact that we can't survive everything.  I would imagine there are similar stories about every ambulance service, but I have to believe these professionals try to do the best job they can no matter who the service provider is.  When a loss makes absolutely no sense it's human nature to look for blame, but in rare instances bad things happen to good people.  I wish you and your family the healing spirit for your loss and the peace to go forward with your lives.

Quoted from bumblethru

Perhaps I'm not reading this correctly, but are you saying that the town will continue to help fund rems as they did previously by tomasone by giving them $10 G's a month? And if so, how did you obtain this information? Presently there is no line item to fund rems in the 2011 rotterdam budget. Could you clarify?

It's not in the budget, and I don't have an "in" to find this out.  This is just my guess with watching how things normally work in town hall.  I understand that there isn't a line item in the budget, but I would say that the money wasn't on it's own line item the first time either.  It will just be able to be transferred as they usually do, pulling it out of the general fund.  That's my guess, anyway.

Quoted from Kevin March

It's not in the budget, and I don't have an "in" to find this out.  This is just my guess with watching how things normally work in town hall.  I understand that there isn't a line item in the budget, but I would say that the money wasn't on it's own line item the first time either.  It will just be able to be transferred as they usually do, pulling it out of the general fund.  That's my guess, anyway.

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kevin - really???????????

if this was a repub controlled board perhaps

this vote was also a referrendum against tommasone/parisi/salamone/donovan etc.  

perhaps now the repub leadership will stop blaming others for their lose

Get off Alley's back Cicero-  You are one big-a$$ jerk to respond to a kid who is in mourning.  If anybody should get kicked off this board it should be you for your insensitivity to this kid.  GB is right--we "don't know the day or the hour because death will come like a thief in the night" as was the case here.  Simply stated--Mohawk  COULDN'T FIND THE HOUSE. Maybe those minutes wouldn't have mattered and maybe they would.  We will never know.  Let's just hope if YOU ever need them they will have an ambulance large enough to hold your fat head since you're such a know it all.  People on this board should shun you for your behavior.

What kind of jerk are you getting off on somebody else's tragedy.  That sure makes you some big man! Picking on a kid whose sadness and desire to help her sister causes her to fly back and forth from the midwest.  Wow what church do you go to--the Church of the self-serving politician.  You're a slug!

Quoted from Kevin March

It's not in the budget, and I don't have an "in" to find this out.  This is just my guess with watching how things normally work in town hall.  I understand that there isn't a line item in the budget, but I would say that the money wasn't on it's own line item the first time either.  It will just be able to be transferred as they usually do, pulling it out of the general fund.  That's my guess, anyway.

There will be no more of that as there is no need to transfer another cent to REMS...there never was any need to do so.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

I can assure you of this .. those of us who supported REMS will continue to support REMS and do everything
to make sure that they get awarded the contract.   We are not giving up the fight.

Then you can wait until REMS confirms that they cannot compete with a $0 bid to give up. Any attempt to continue public funding of
REMS after yesterday will be met with ferocious opposition.

Quoted from Kevin March

It's not in the budget, and I don't have an "in" to find this out.  This is just my guess with watching how things normally work in town hall.  I understand that there isn't a line item in the budget, but I would say that the money wasn't on it's own line item the first time either.  It will just be able to be transferred as they usually do, pulling it out of the general fund.  That's my guess, anyway.

         My guess would be an immediate Article 78 if the Town Board made any effort to fund REMS after putting this to a public referendum.  Many were not pleased the way the Town Board unanimously approved the resolution to make REMS the designated provider if the ambulance tax district was approved, ahead of the vote.  Politics have interfered with this issue too much already.

Quoted from 612

Get off Alley's back Cicero-  You are one big-a$$ jerk to respond to a kid who is in mourning.  If anybody should get kicked off this board it should be you for your insensitivity to this kid.  GB is right--we "don't know the day or the hour because death will come like a thief in the night" as was the case here.  Simply stated--Mohawk  COULDN'T FIND THE HOUSE. Maybe those minutes wouldn't have mattered and maybe they would.  We will never know.  Let's just hope if YOU ever need them they will have an ambulance large enough to hold your fat head since you're such a know it all.  People on this board should shun you for your behavior.

What kind of jerk are you getting off on somebody else's tragedy.  That sure makes you some big man! Picking on a kid whose sadness and desire to help her sister causes her to fly back and forth from the midwest.  Wow what church do you go to--the Church of the self-serving politician.  You're a slug!

        And with all due respect, Boomer get off Cicero's back.  Alley was engaging Cicero.  If she wants to post on the Forum she needs to be prepared for feedback.  Cicero was not insensitive to the situation, they merely stated that the ambulance tax district vote was just.  Because someone did not get the end result they desired, as DVoR would say, this is a Democracy.  The fight is over, the people have spoken, end of discussion.

Quoted from AVON

        And with all due respect, Boomer get off Cicero's back.  Alley was engaging Cicero.  If she wants to post on the Forum she needs to be prepared for feedback.  Cicero was not insensitive to the situation, they merely stated that the ambulance tax district vote was just.  Because someone did not get the end result they desired, as DVoR would say, this is a Democracy.  The fight is over, the people have spoken, end of discussion.

I couldn't agree with you more.

This thread is about a taxing district. This is clearly not the place to be injecting personal tragedies as tragic as they can be. A new thread can be started for that.

Cicero WAS staying on topic!

Sorry for your loss...........but lets stay on topic.....k?

Rotterdamians must still stay on top of this present town board.
There are ambulance contracts to accept and sign.
And injecting tax money into rems, as kevin suggested, needs to be policed.

Sorry it is the stories of the residents that either makes laws or eliminates the.  Alley was on target and topic.  Too bad you feel otherwise.

Quoted from 612

Sorry it is the stories of the residents that either makes laws or eliminates the.  Alley was on target and topic.  Too bad you feel otherwise.

Boomer, you are right.  I have a question though, not to engage or bring up bad feelings, but if this incident was in Rotterdam, the 911 call would have initiated the town paramedics and REMS FIRST, then if REMS couldn't provide the service the dispatchers would have sent another ambulance provider.

As far as the vote goes, looks like the stock in the No New Tax Party just went through the roof.  Mr. Mertz was in Town Hall yesterday and stopped by our office to say hello, I'll have to say he was a pleasure, but that's probably because he's no longer in politics.  He did call the election, saying 6 out of 10 would vote no.  Someone asked if he would be running again and his answer was "I'm retired"

Well, I hope the No Tax guys do run again, they will have my vote.

Quoted from Zorro

Boomer, you are right.  I have a question though, not to engage or bring up bad feelings, but if this incident was in Rotterdam, the 911 call would have initiated the town paramedics and REMS FIRST, then if REMS couldn't provide the service the dispatchers would have sent another ambulance provider.

As far as the vote goes, looks like the stock in the No New Tax Party just went through the roof.  Mr. Mertz was in Town Hall yesterday and stopped by our office to say hello, I'll have to say he was a pleasure, but that's probably because he's no longer in politics.  He did call the election, saying 6 out of 10 would vote no.  Someone asked if he would be running again and his answer was "I'm retired"

Well, I hope the No Tax guys do run again, they will have my vote.

          Sorry, I guess we agree to disagree.  Boomer is not correct.  If you want to impact people or the Board, you attend the Public Hearing on this issue and go on record.  To vent after the vote, and voice your story as being significant is water over the dam.  All have the right to Freedom of Speech, especially on the Forum, but this will not change the outcome at this juncture so why would you bother to continue to beat this drum?

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

I can assure you of this .. those of us who supported REMS will continue to support REMS and do everything to make sure that they get awarded the contract. We are not giving up the fight.

Typical tin ear. To quote Senator Muskie; "the voters have spoken-the bastards." This is over. Stop wasting time and move on to other more pressing issues.

    

Quoted from Zorro

Boomer, you are right.  I have a question though, not to engage or bring up bad feelings, but if this incident was in Rotterdam, the 911 call would have initiated the town paramedics and REMS FIRST, then if REMS couldn't provide the service the dispatchers would have sent another ambulance provider.

As far as the vote goes, looks like the stock in the No New Tax Party just went through the roof.  Mr. Mertz was in Town Hall yesterday and stopped by our office to say hello, I'll have to say he was a pleasure, but that's probably because he's no longer in politics.  He did call the election, saying 6 out of 10 would vote no.  Someone asked if he would be running again and his answer was "I'm retired"

Well, I hope the No Tax guys do run again, they will have my vote.

I disagree with the stock through the roof crap.  Where was Mertz and OConnor over the last three months when there were public meetings on this issue???  No letters to the Editor.  No passionate oration on the subject from any of those clunkers.  Monday morning quaterbacking at it finest.  The NNTP is washed up and and is dust in the wind.  To take credit for the people's vote last night is disingenuous and superficial but does John Mertz know any other way?