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Del Gallo is out of his mind if a mere audit is his idea of a full investigation, or that it can be completed and all findings disclosed and disseminated
to the public before that vote...they have been conveniently unable to inform the public of the particulars of this vote, citing the loss of Doogie Howser
as an excuse...yet Laccardi had time to draft a letter to REMS requesting their financials and will apparently have time to publish a predetermined
report that will render that audit credible and REMS financials free of any cause for concern....what a load. Hopefully the more intellectually gifted will
see through this.
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The vote should be postponed.
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Rotterdam's town board should 'move' to postpone and rethink this vote until AFTER the full investigation by the AG's office at the next rotterdam town board meeting.

Not to mention, that there are many many rotterdamians who are not even aware of this vote, what it means, who can and can't vote and what their alternatives are.

In talking to some rotterdamians, they think that if they don't vote 'yes'......they will be living in a town with no ambulance service and people will be dying in the streets!

Common sense and in most 'intelligent' municipalities..........this vote wouldn't even exist. They would just put it out to bid!

But this is rotterdam. The laughing stock. Where politics prevail. The home of the dumbed down, uneducated, illiterate rednecks!! IMHO of course!!


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Why isn't Mohawk plastering the town yet?
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MT - Why would they need to? The vote is rigged. You do realize that everything being done lately is aimed at failing the tax district. FDG and BG want to hand the contract to Mohawk, just they've got this pesky vote in the way.
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VanDerwerker became aware of the billing when he became board president in 2008. Under the previous administration of Supervisor Steve Tommasone, he said the company was authorized to keep paramedic reimbursements for their operating expenses while they tried to iron out a contract with the town.



How come an item as important like this was never voted upon? How can a supervisor just give away hundreds of thousands of dollars to an organization without a public hearing and vote?
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MT - Why would they need to? The vote is rigged. You do realize that everything being done lately is aimed at failing the tax district. FDG and BG want to hand the contract to Mohawk, just they've got this pesky vote in the way.



If Rotterdam's supervisor doesn't postpone this vote, he too, will be subject to an investigation. It can't get anymore black and white that rems and the politicos (past and present) have been running a questionable practice, possibly robbing the taxpayers out of hundreds of thousand of dollars.

If that ALONE isn't reason enough to postpone this vote and demand a full investigation.....than rotterdamians/taxpayers have a legal case to ponder.





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MT - Why would they need to? The vote is rigged. You do realize that everything being done lately is aimed at failing the tax district. FDG and BG want to hand the contract to Mohawk, just they've got this pesky vote in the way.


Huh? Really?
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If Rotterdam's supervisor doesn't postpone this vote, he too, will be subject to an investigation. It can't get anymore black and white that rems and the politicos (past and present) have been running a questionable practice, possibly robbing the taxpayers out of hundreds of thousand of dollars.

If that ALONE isn't reason enough to postpone this vote and demand a full investigation.....than rotterdamians/taxpayers have a legal case to ponder.


Consolidated Laws of NY
         GMU - General Municipal
              Article 6 - Public Health & Safety
                    Section 122 - B General Ambulance Service

§  122-b.  General  ambulance  services.  1. Any county, city, town or
  village, acting  individually  or  jointly,  may  provide  an  emergency
  medical  service,  a  general ambulance service or a combination of such
  services for the purpose  of  providing  prehospital  emergency  medical
  treatment  or  transporting  sick  or  injured  persons found within the
  boundaries of the municipality to  a  hospital,  clinic,  sanatorium  or
  other  place  for  treatment  of  such  illness  or injury, and for that
  purpose may:
    (a) Acquire by gift or purchase one or more  motor  vehicles  suitable
  for  such  purpose and supply and equip the same with such materials and
  facilities as  it  may  consider  necessary  for  prehospital  emergency
  treatment,  and  may operate, maintain, repair and replace such vehicles
  and such supplies and equipment;
    (b) Contract with one or  more  individuals,  municipal  corporations,
  associations,  or  other  organizations,  having  sufficient trained and
  experienced personnel, for operation, maintenance  and  repair  of  such
  emergency  medical  service or ambulance vehicles and for the furnishing
  of prehospital emergency treatment;
    (c) Contract with one or  more  individuals,  municipal  corporations,
  associations,   or  other  organizations  to  supply,  staff  and  equip
  emergency medical  service  or  ambulance  vehicles  suitable  for  such
  purposes  and  operate  such  vehicles for the furnishing of prehospital
  emergency treatment;
    (d) Employ any combination of the methods authorized in paragraph (a),
  (b) or (c);
    (e) No contract shall be entered into pursuant to  the  provisions  of
  this section for the services of an emergency rescue and first aid squad
  of  a fire department or fire company which is subject to the provisions
  of section two hundred nine-b of the general municipal law;
    (f) Consider prehospital emergency treatment as that care provided  by
  certified  emergency medical technicians or certified advanced emergency
  medical technicians certified pursuant  to  the  provisions  of  article
  thirty of the public health law.
    1-a. As used in this section:
    (a)  "Emergency  medical technician" means an individual who meets the
  minimum requirements established  by  regulations  pursuant  to  section
  three  thousand  two of the public health law and who is responsible for
  administration or supervision of initial  emergency  medical  assistance
  and handling and transportation of sick, disabled or injured persons.
    (b) "Advanced emergency medical technician" means an emergency medical
  technician  who  has  satisfactorily  completed  an  advanced  course of
  training approved by the state council  under  regulations  pursuant  to
  section three thousand two of the public health law.
    2. Such municipality shall formulate rules and regulations relating to
  the  use  of  such apparatus and equipment in the provision of emergency
  medical services or ambulance service and may fix a schedule of fees  or
  charges  to  be  paid  by persons requesting the use of such facilities.
  Such municipalities may provide for the  collection  of  such  fees  and
  charges  or  may  formulate  rules  and  regulations  for the collection
  thereof by the individuals,  municipal  corporations,  associations,  or
  other  organizations  furnishing  service  under contract as provided in
  paragraph (c) of subdivision one of this section.
    3. Such municipality may purchase or  provide  insurance  indemnifying
  against  liability for the negligent operation of such emergency medical
  service or ambulance service and the negligent use of other equipment or
  supplies incidental to the furnishing of such emergency medical  service
  or ambulance service.

    4.   Such   municipality   may  provide  for  the  administration  and
  coordination of such emergency  medical  service  or  ambulance  service
  including   but  not  limited  to  operation  of  an  emergency  medical
  communications system and medical control.
    5.  Fire  districts, which, as part of a fire protection contract, may
  provide general ambulance and/or emergency ambulance service pursuant to
  section two hundred nine-b of this chapter and  article  thirty  of  the
  public  health  law where a town or village has not designated itself as
  the primary  provider  of  or  otherwise  contracted  for  an  emergency
  ambulance, a general ambulance service, or a combination of such service
  acting   individually   or  jointly,  may  contract  with  one  or  more
  individuals,  municipal  corporations,  or  other  organizations  having
  sufficient  trained  personnel, vehicles or combination of personnel and
  vehicles suitable to provide prehospital emergency  treatment,  for  the
  furnishing  of  supplemental  personnel,  equipment  or service to cover
  instances or periods of  time  when  its  service  may  not  be  readily
  available.

         First, the Town MAY provide an emergency medical service, not SHALL.
         Second, throughout the Law, the resounding theme is CONTRACT, not award.

       It indeed is questionable if the T.B. actions were legal since there was never a contract, and Mohawk never had an option to bid.  This is especially true since the ambulance service spanned municipal boundaries with T. of Princetown!
Perhaps this is the reason why Mohawk is silent, they already have evaluated what has transpired from a legal perspective.
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The vote needs to be postponed with an investigation of rems, including past and present administrations.

Then the ambulance service needs to be put out to bid.

To any 'civilized, educated'  society.....this would be a no brainer!!!


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The fact is that the Anti- REMS thugs-blowhards-windbags   were so sure 6 months ago that no one would
support the ambulance district  ...   now they realize that many people do support REMS and the tax district
.. so they have to grab at whatever straws they can


SUPPORT   REMS  ---- VOTE YES ON DECEMBER 14


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Businesses and residents are fleeing this state due to high taxes and old DVOR just wants to pile another tax on top of what the Federal, State, County and local government is already taxing us. It's like the death of 1000 cuts very slow but in the end you're just as dead.
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The fact is that the Anti- REMS thugs-blowhards-windbags   were so sure 6 months ago that no one would
support the ambulance district  ...   now they realize that many people do support REMS and the tax district
.. so they have to grab at whatever straws they can


SUPPORT   REMS  ---- VOTE YES ON DECEMBER 14


         The connection of an ambulance district with REMS may have been an illegal Resolution.  If you call for a referendum for an ambulance district to cover the costs of ambulance service, it is doubtful it is legal for the specification of the provider to be so attached.  The law seems to indicate that the service has to be contracted which implies a bidding process.  The existing resolution is crafted as ambulance district with REMS vs. no ambulance district.  So if the voters vote NO, we are right back where we started from.  This is why the referendum package would be viewed as illegal because the vote is unnecessary when there is more than one provider that is willing to bid.  The criteria to establish a special tax district does not allow for predetermination of the provider from what I can glean from the laws.
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Businesses and residents are fleeing this state due to high taxes and old DVOR just wants to pile another tax on top of what the Federal, State, County and local government is already taxing us. It's like the death of 1000 cuts very slow but in the end you're just as dead.


That is why we live in a democracy .. we get to choose what we value enough that we are willing to pay taxes
for.  

I value the great service that REMS has provided and am willing to pay the extra $20 a year in taxes .. or
38 cents a week ...  GREAT VALUE for a GREAT SERVICE


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         The connection of an ambulance district with REMS may have been an illegal Resolution.  If you call for a referendum for an ambulance district to cover the costs of ambulance service, it is doubtful it is legal for the specification of the provider to be so attached.  The law seems to indicate that the service has to be contracted which implies a bidding process.  The existing resolution is crafted as ambulance district with REMS vs. no ambulance district.  So if the voters vote NO, we are right back where we started from.  This is why the referendum package would be viewed as illegal because the vote is unnecessary when there is more than one provider that is willing to bid.  The criteria to establish a special tax district does not allow for predetermination of the provider from what I can glean from the laws.


If  you live in rotterdam, you must be one of the 'few' educated one! CONGRATS!

You have a vote on a taxing district for sewers because there is no bidding process.
You have a vote on a taxing district for fire because there is no bidding process.
You have a vote on a  taxing district for water because there is no bidding process.

Like posted earlier...............this could very well result in a law suit against the town. But that is why municipalities have attorneys.


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