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DEC rejects sports park plans
Rotterdam told site, part of aquifer, should stay  
in an undeveloped state
  
First published: Sunday, January 14, 2007
DENNIS YUSKO Staff writer

ROTTERDAM -- The town must find a new location for a recreational facility after the state Department of Environmental Conservation rejected a Town Board plan to build on deed-restricted land within the Great Flats Aquifer.

In a November letter to the DEC, Rotterdam officials sought state permission to construct a multi-venue sports park on 12 of 67 town-owned acres near the Interstate 890 entranceway on Campbell Road.

But after reviewing property deed restrictions, wetland maps and more, the DEC informed the town Thursday that the site should remain undeveloped.

"These documents, when viewed together, leave no doubt that this parcel of land was intended to remain in an undeveloped state as a wildlife sanctuary, " the agency said in its response to the town. "Therefore, the department cannot support or consent to the construction of the Rotterdam Commons Recreational Area on this parcel."

The decision represents a victory for local environmental groups, who argued the park idea violated the property's deed, which stipulates the site must be "forever maintained as a wildlife sanctuary and park with natural trails."

The Great Flats Aquifer is the primary source of drinking water for the town, Schenectady, Scotia, Glenville, Niskayuna and a handful of southern Saratoga County towns.

Rotterdam would not challenge DEC's determination, Supervisor Steve Tommasone said Saturday.
  

  
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'Citing a new park on the west side'...I counted 12 parks already in Rotterdam(that aren't crowded)..and yet they are seeking yet ANOTHER! I'm sorry, but there are so many other important things that Rotterdam needs, clearly a park should be last on the long list. May I also say that constructing a park is probably a better vote getter than sewers, huh? Not for me! >

That's what got this town in the mess it's in today! NO INFRUSTURCTURE!


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ROTTERDAM
Town considers creating park on Route 5S
$5,000 study approved

BY JUSTIN MASON Gazette Reporter

   Town officials are again considering a park on 78 acres of vacant land off Route 5S that was donated to Rotterdam by Schenectady International decades ago.
   Board members narrowly approved this week a $5,000 study of the land to investigate the feasibility of a passive-use park on the property. The study, to be conducted by Griggs-Lang Consulting Geologists Inc. of Troy, will present possible ideas for the park and determine any limitations presented by the land’s deed restrictions.
   “We need to answer the question of what we can and cannot do on the property, knowing there are restrictions on the deed,” Supervisor Steven Tommasone said Friday.
   Located south of Schenectady International and west of the historic Mabee Farm along a stretch of the old Erie Canal towpath, the property now contains two large bodies of water referred to as East Pond and West Pond. From the 1940s until the late 1970s, the land was used as a sand and gravel mine.
   Formerly owned by Bonded Concrete, the land was subject to decade-long litigation with Schenectady International — now called the SI Group — which owns a plant adjacent to the property. At the time, the chemical company feared Bonded Concrete’s mining operation could taint wells that supplied water to the Schenectady International plant.
   Ultimately, the companies reached a settlement and Schenectady International purchased the land. The property was subsequently deeded to the town with some limitations to its use.
   During the early ’90s, former Supervisor James Constantino pushed for an ambitious park project on the land. Plans for the area included a public beach on West Pond, more than 100 individual picnic areas, two basketball courts, two tennis courts and softball fields.
   But the estimated $500,000 to $900,000 cost of the park proved to be prohibitive for the town. The plans were eventually scrapped.
   “It was too much for the area,” said Tommasone, who was opposed to the former project.
   Tommasone said the latest study will help determine the restrictions the town would face in establishing the park. He said any project there is likely to involve some degree of reclamation of the land.
   “We want to be very careful of what we want to do there,” he said.
   Board members voted along party lines for the study, with Democrats Dianne Marco and Robert Godlewski opposed. Godlewski said the town should first review the study conducted during the 1990s.
   “Give our staff time to see this report to see if it gives us what we need before spending $5,000,” he said. “We have a document with background information and it would behoove us all to read it.”
   Members of the Republican majority argued that the study would need updating because many state Environmental Quality Review Act rules have since changed. Board member John Mertz said the old study would provide useful background for the new study, but isn’t useful on its own.
   “It might be helpful for background, but certainly it’s prudent for the town to update the study,” he said.
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It seems that all the town board wants to do is only put up money for studies of the problems but never gets around to fix anything or build any infrastructure. I'll bet sewers would do a lot more for Rotterdam residents than another park that no-one uses.
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Located south of Schenectady International and west of the historic Mabee Farm along a stretch of the old Erie Canal towpath, the property now contains two large bodies of water referred to as East Pond and West Pond. From the 1940s until the late 1970s, the land was used as a sand and gravel mine.


It probably would have to be tested for TCE and PCB's.....it is near SI.....


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First I will say that I agree with Shadow. How can Rotterdam even want to talk about a park when there is so much else to do? Oh, I forgot...sewers don't get you elected...parks do!

Second I agree with Senders. That land should be checked big time. They are just finding out now (so they say it is only now), that many of the homes located near the old Schenectady Chemicals in Mt.Pleasant/Bellevue area's land is contaminated. That I know for a fact cause I know someone who lives in that area.

Third, I think that if a park, absolutly, beyond a question, without reservation, beyond a shadow of a doubt, just has to be built, this is the perfect place. Even if it is just for the votes! That is if all checks out with the 'studies'. They are looking to make that area a tourist attraction anyways for sometime in the future. And perhaps the metroplex will dole out some bucks for that since they are trying to do the same on the other side of the river.


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Hey, look at it this way, if we make 1 big, centralized park, then we don't have to have all these other parks around and it will give us more room for MFRH!
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Well, I guess the people on the west end have been screaming for a park. Although I don't know who the heck they are...but it will be very interesting to see how many west siders will take daily trips to the junction for a 'day at the park'. I highly doubt there will be  many. Not to mention, when was the last time anyone went to the junction? I live in Rotterdam and I don't think I've been there more than twice in my life. A park surely won't be a draw for me either...UNLESS they make it some type of tourist attraction, which I still say is the end goal.


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I've been there a couple times, but that was just to check out what the big to-do was at the time.
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In all fairness, though, there is nothing in the Jct anyways. So there actually would be no need to go there unless you were visiting someone, going to a bar, or checking out the fire house. Not too much more!


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Hey, look at it this way, if we make 1 big, centralized park, then we don't have to have all these other parks around and it will give us more room for MFRH!


Dont forget all those 'convicted offenders' who will move in then.....remember, only parks can protect us now......


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Oh God Senders, don't let the powers to be hear you say that. That will be just the push they need to construct these parks they are so obsessed with. THAT would give them even more reason to build a park. I'm tellin' ya that the idea of a park in the Jct. is a county wide effort to make the waterways a tourist attraction. Which in itself seems like an okay idea to me. NOW there is a reason. I never bought the idea of the people on the west side wanting a park. I think that was the Walmart scare. So when the west side first heard of a possible Walmart super center coming in, they figured lets do something with all of this green space before a big box is built. And honestly, I can't fault their mind thougt. It's just that a park iwasclearly not the answer. The answer is some developement on Rt7. That is the only space left to develop on the west end.


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I think this waterway thing was a discussion on the 'old forum'.......


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