bumblethru no additional tractor trailer movements through an already choked corridor and resulting safety issues . . . . DUH!
Avon, have your heard that the entire Rt7 corridor is going to be developed? Did you hear that a Flying J's truck stop will be proposed where Mr.Crounse's farm is? Did you see the for sales signs along Rt7 from the thruway bridge right to I88?
McLane's is just a little cog in this entire development area. And believe me when I tell you that it is just not called the 'Rt7 corridor'. It is called the 'Rt7/Princetown corridor'. Possum you are correct with your analogy.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
A town, Rotterdam, needs to consciously, ethically and responsibly manage the growth of a town. They, Rotterdam, reviewed and supplied all the permits that started the residential area Country Walk, Beckers Crossing, Autumn Run etc..... Residents and Business are BOTH needed to 'make' a town prosper and both should be considered. A growing suburban neighborhood has been stared here, just as important as business and commerce is to a town is a place for its residents. But more importantly, Rotterdam, needs to develop a strategic business plan for both its commercial and residential occupants. For business growth this includes water and sewage facilities. You cannot just change your mind and drop an industrial unit into a neighborhood that affects the quality of life of a growing residential neighborhood, but beyond that to put a commercial structure in a place where the roads are not effectively designed and creating a danger zone for the outlying residents of Princetown and Rotterdam putting them in harms way. The sewage system is non-existent. Rotterdam plans to allow a 165,000 sq foot building to use a septic system. The same septic system doesn't work in an adjacent commercial property that is a fraction of the size. Industrial waste will be dumped into our ground,and more than likely our ground water (and aqua fir). What are the lasting effects even to areas beyond Rottterdam and Princetown? Will you drink the water? The water flow that is in this area is not sufficient for the residential households, has it been probably designed or tested for a fire at the facility? What kind of threat will ammonia leak (due to the refrigeration aspect located at this proposed facility) on the surrounding area including the middle and highshcools have? The threshold levels quoted are not above the standard that requires an evacuation. Who made the thresholds? Are they sufficient? Are you willing to test that threshold level out on your children that are attending the middle and highshcool? This is ONLY some of the things that this proposed McLane facility will affect the environment and our community. You see its not just about the residents in the general neighborhood, who will experience a direct effect of the pollution and noise, who will not be able to open windows or enjoy their patios, but its a widespread environmental negligence. The business environment needs to planned and provided for in a responsible way. The plan needs to be designed and well thought out, unlike the sprawl that is occurring, to create a great township for all its occupants, business AND residents!
The cost to run sewers will fall on the taxpayer. I will have to pay to provide sewars to my air and noise polluter. We will also have to major expense (I think I heard at least 27mil) to expand the exisiting sewar facility to handle the new sewar lines. Hmmmm.....guess my taxes will go up to pay for sewers for the new business? Maybe somebody should have made a deal with the 'new' commercial businness to help pay for that expense. Don't think they did that????? No residents will bear that burden too. Hit with too much noise so we can't sleep, pollute the air we breath, and then grab all the money from our pockets, whats left anyways after our houses our worth half what we paid.
There was a plan a while ago where a group of developers were going to pay to put a sewer line in from exit 25a to the sewage treatment plant. A sewer line is needed for the proposed condos that are to be built on Mariaville Rd and Burdeck as well as for development of the rte 7 exit 25a corridor. The builders would collect the revenue for a 10 year period and at the end of that time it would be turned over to the town. I haven't heard anything recently about this proposal but if the town approves all this development in this area something will have to be done as far as sewers goes as these businesses are much too big to operate on a septic system.
Avon, have your heard that the entire Rt7 corridor is going to be developed? Did you hear that a Flying J's truck stop will be proposed where Mr.Crounse's farm is? Did you see the for sales signs along Rt7 from the thruway bridge right to I88?
McLane's is just a little cog in this entire development area. And believe me when I tell you that it is just not called the 'Rt7 corridor'. It is called the 'Rt7/Princetown corridor'. Possum you are correct with your analogy.
Fine Keep it on rt7, don't bring it off r/t 7 into a neighborhood, RIGHT next door to homes. Keep it on r/t 7, Mclane will be on Becker Drive....NOT on RT 7. Hey maybe the highshcool will lease out thier football field. Heck the kids won't be able to breathe anyway.
First, the three major land owners on RT7 have accepted an offer from one of the three developer's bids. (I don't know who they are) They will have 6 months to run their tests to make sure the land is viable for their projects. (I don't know what that will be either) If they find the land not suitable by the end of the six months, the deal is off. If at the end of 6 months the area is acceptable, they will then move forward with purchasing the residential homes for the frontage. That is all I know as of now.
Second, It is my understanding that IF sewers are brought in, they will be along RT7 and will be installed by local developers. I have to also believe that some of this cost will be passed on to the new business prospects.
Third, the proposed McLane's distribution center is very complex with pros and cons. It's division involves 2 towns, environmental issues, residential neighborhoods and business growth to expand the tax base.
What is needed is an updated town-wide Comprehensive Plan. We need a plan with a direction and vision for future developments. Maybe Rotterdam should propose a 1 year moratorium on all new developments until an updated Comprehensive Plan is in place.
We have a NIMBY on the forum. Much like the anti Walmart movement a few years ago. People who stand to be possibly be effected by it financially are complaining. I don't believe for a second people are genuinely concerned for the health of the kids at Schalmont, or the towns drinking water. The Golub warehouse is a mile and half down the road from Schalmont, with ammonia refer unit, and a truck shop that dwarfs the truck stop on Rt. 7, or any truck shop that McLanes would build.
Oh yeah,,,,Golub only effects those small $150K homes off of Rt. 7. McLanes is effecting the homes of that a worth upwards of $300K in Eldorado and Country Walk.
tripleblessing, good luck on spreading the doom and gloom of economic progress to the Rotterdam and Princetown residents.
What is needed is an updated town-wide Comprehensive Plan. We need a plan with a direction and vision for future developments. Maybe Rotterdam should propose a 1 year moratorium on all new developments until an updated Comprehensive Plan is in place.
I gotta respectfully disagree with that comment. Everytime a business tries to come into the area that MIGHT be controversial, a moratorium is the first thing everyone reaches for. That's irresponsible. The town should have come up with zoning and provisions BEFORE the proposals and applications came in, not once they have.
Adult bookstores is a good example. NIMBY - Moratorium screamed the residents and elected officials. Adult bookstores, arcades and porn shops are not a new concept, they've been around since the days of the wild west (bordellos). The town/city should have thought about this WAY back - not be reactive.
Walmart is another example. It wasn't unpredictable that some major big box store would want to buy up large parcels of land.
Imposing a moratorium only says "gee, we never thought of that, let's stop it till we get what we want (kickbacks/etc)". If enough palms are greased, it goes through - if not, it stalls out and they issue a permanent ban until a new developer comes along with a plan they like - even if it's essentially the same as the one they blocked the first time.
What if a supermarket wants to go on the land where the truckstop is proposed - it's not a new concept, will be welcomed (I imagine) by a LOT of residents out there (especially if it has a drug store (wink at Rene)) ... they're far more susceptible to crime, littering, traffic than a truck stop could be.
The added county tax revenue a truck stop will provide will be monumental. Diesel trucks fill up 90-120 gallons at a time. 100 gallons times .40cents/gal (average fuel tax) is $40 per fillup revenue for the county. Elect representatives that will see that revenue and work towards reducing the tax base for county/town/city residents, not find new ways to spend it.
When the application is in, filing a moratorium isn't the first thing that should be reached for.
As you said Joann, a COMPREHENSIVE PLAN is what's needed - for ALL areas of the town. Don't hinder business development AFTER someone decides they want to move into the area. Make it clear what's acceptable before you stop a business from entering the town.
I 100% am against moratoriums and think, like Eminent Domain, they are way overused. They have a purpose, but should be used with caution and extreme consideration within the rules of the municipality.
We have a NIMBY on the forum. Much like the anti Walmart movement a few years ago. People who stand to be possibly be effected by it financially are complaining. I don't believe for a second people are genuinely concerned for the health of the kids at Schalmont, or the towns drinking water. The Golub warehouse is a mile and half down the road from Schalmont, with ammonia refer unit, and a truck shop that dwarfs the truck stop on Rt. 7, or any truck shop that McLanes would build.
Oh yeah,,,,Golub only effects those small $150K homes off of Rt. 7. McLanes is effecting the homes of that a worth upwards of $300K in Eldorado and Country Walk.
tripleblessing, good luck on spreading the doom and gloom of economic progress to the Rotterdam and Princetown residents.
First, MY KIDS will go to that middle school and Highschool. I am very much concerned for their welfare. As I love them more than anything and only want what is best for them. My life is about providing the best for them, including their quality life at home and YES that includes the drinking water. The enviornment affects my family and friends and I am absolutely geniuely concerned about the quaility of of the enviroment we all live in. But that aside, So I guess we should create another enviroment like the one that surrounds Golub. Hey lets spread the joy. Those people suffer so lets bathe in thier pollution. Why learn and grow lets just keep making the same mistakes. Hey if they jump of the bridge we should too. Didn't you ever listen to your mother? Hey, Lets all drink koolaid!
The area to be developed isn't in the aquifer recharge area so our water will be OK. Before any large development is built all aspects of possible pollution, environmental impact on the area and if necessary a SEQR should be done and paid for by the developer. Adverse effects on drainage, storm water runoff, and ground water should be studied and that should all be done by have a good town comprehensive plan to take this town into the future so mistakes from the past aren't repeated, Masullo Estates, Horizon Estates, Highbridge Rd area, and Rotterdam Junction. This town has been locking the barn door long after the horse got out for far too long and that has to stop. The town desperately needs a good business tax base to keep the residents tax bills reasonable so we should be welcoming businesses to build here but it must be done the correct way.
Quoted from AVON no additional tractor trailer movements through an already choked corridor and resulting safety issues . . . . DUH!
The point I was trying to make was that if anyone thinks that the rt7 corridor is congested now, wait until the entire corridor is developed. McLanes will be minor in comparison. However, I also believe that when rt7 is developed, the plan is to widen the road.
And if I recall, and I could be wrong here, but didn't the proposed area for McLanes pass the environmental tests? I thought that it all came back with the provisions McLanes had to make in order to set up business and McLanes would follow through with those provisions.
And I agree with shadow that this will not effect the aquifer.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
What is needed is an updated town-wide Comprehensive Plan. We need a plan with a direction and vision for future developments. Maybe Rotterdam should propose a 1 year moratorium on all new developments until an updated Comprehensive Plan is in place.
Somebody is finally speaking my language! I intend to return to pushing these concepts publically at meetings.
Michael, if Rotterdam doesn't develop an updated comprehensive plan soon, there will continue to be issues just like McLanes, Wal-Mart and even signage. The development of Rt 7 will be a constant uphill battle. I am not in favor of moratoriums either, but there are times when it is needed to deliberately stop development while the municipality gets it's act together.
We have a NIMBY on the forum. Much like the anti Walmart movement a few years ago. People who stand to be possibly be effected by it financially are complaining. I don't believe for a second people are genuinely concerned for the health of the kids at Schalmont, or the towns drinking water.
You are slightly off the mark with these comments, I think. I helped organize and lead the effort against the Wal-Mart supercenter and I live no where near there, nor did many others that opposed it. I also think people are genuinely concerned about the effects the distribution facility will have on matters beyond the immediate impact to themselves.
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