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Credit cards cut off gas purchases  
By IEVA M. AUGSTUMS, Associated Press

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- So you're at the gas station filling up your vehicle, and without warning the gas pump shuts off. What? The tank isn't full, and you know your credit card isn't over its limit.
  
"Using my Visa card, I commonly hit a limit and I would be standing there scratching my head," Shawn Bloomfield, who pumps premium gas into his SUV, said from his home in Allentown, Pa. "I would always assume it is the gas station setting a limit on how much gas I could purchase. It felt like a ration scenario."

As the price of gasoline continues to rise, rules to prevent credit card fraud at the nation's pumps are confusing consumers who just want a full tank of gas.

Caps on transaction amounts -- or the total dollar amount of gas a customer can pump into their car -- are limiting some drivers of gas-guzzling vehicles.

"When I go to the gas station I now have to use two credit cards just for one tank of gas," said Paul Brisgone of Oxford, Pa. "Kind of defeats the convenience of pay-at-the-pump."

Brisgone, a field operations manager for a telecommunications company, said he alternates between three different credit cards -- two Visa and one MasterCard -- when filling up the 32-gallon tank in his Ford F-150 pickup.

"When I can go 400 miles a day, it inconveniences me if I need a full tank of gas and can't get one," Brisgone said.

Credit card companies say the policies, which aren't new, are designed to ensure that merchants and consumers are protected from fraudulent transactions that could occur at a gas pump.

When a customer uses their credit card at a cardholder-activated terminal, such as a gas pump, the transaction is authorized without knowing the final bill of sale.

Typically, consumers who use their credit card are not liable for any fraudulent purchases, and gas merchants are not liable either.

But credit card companies have established a protective layer by setting caps on how much gas a consumer can pump at any one given time.

That means in the event of any fraud, "the merchant is protected from bearing the cost of the fraudulent transaction," said MasterCard spokeswoman Joanne Trout.

But only up to a certain amount.

For MasterCard customers, it's $75. Visa and Discover users have a $50 pay-at-the-pump limit. Transaction limits vary for corporate card holders and American Express users.

Not all gas stations have to abide by the cap. And there are no limits if a customer goes inside and pays with their credit card at the counter.

The caps went unnoticed when gasoline prices were low.

"We get more calls, questions, when gas prices increase," said Visa spokeswoman Rhonda Bentz.

The average price of regular unleaded gasoline increased from $1.50 a gallon at the start of the decade to $2.28 a gallon in 2005, according to the American Automobile Association.

Today, gasoline prices are topping $3 a gallon.

"Yes, it's an inconvenience," said Bloomfield, who often reaches his $50 limit when filling up his Nissan Pathfinder. "I guess you could say it's a necessary inconvenience for more secure transactions."



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"Yes, it's an inconvenience," said Bloomfield, who often reaches his $50 limit when filling up his Nissan Pathfinder. "I guess you could say it's a necessary inconvenience for more secure transactions."


Rationalizing freedom away??


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The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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Hey, I didn't check Shan Gas (the first station on Hamburg St. heading away from Curry Rd with the big sign that just says "GAS,"), but Hess and Stewart's at the corner of Curry and Helderberg both came down to $2.99 today.
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Credit ceilings curb pay-at-pump sales
Irate motorists find $50 won't fill gas tank, but triggers limits on cards  

  
By ALAN WECHSLER, Business writer
First published: Thursday, June 21, 2007

ALBANY -- Jim Boyle of Delmar was first aware of the problem when he tried to fill up his Toyota Highlander and a gas can for his lawn mower. The Hess pump stopped at $50 and wouldn't give him more fuel.
  
The Hess clerk blamed his credit card, Discover. Discover later told him it was the gas station that had put the limits in place.

Turns out they both were right.

For years, credit card companies have limited the amount they are liable for when fuel customers use pay-at-the-pump options to fill up. That means if someone uses a stolen credit card to buy $75 worth of fuel at the pump, Discover will be responsible only for the first $50. (This is not true, however, for a credit-card purchase made at the register).

Until recently, this wasn't much of an issue. But with gas costing more than $3 a gallon, it's now easy for customers to reach $50. And with rising credit card thefts, gas stations have responded by limiting how much gas you can put on the card during a fill-up.

And some drivers aren't happy about it.

"We have people coming in every day, red-faced, angry," said Mac Brownson, owner of a Mobil station on Central Avenue in Albany that has such limits.

Brownson, who also is president of the Gasoline and Repair Shop Association of New York Inc., said the decisions are made at the Exxon Mobil corporate office. The corporate office then directs the company that handles the processing of credit cards to limit the pump purchases.

Because stolen credit cards were used in the past year at his station, Brownson said his processor has required that pay-at-the-pump users also type in their ZIP code. That outraged even more customers -- some thought their buying habits were being monitored, others had a company credit card and didn't know the ZIP.

After Brownson complained to the processor, the ZIP code requirement was discontinued. Now, he tells his employees to watch out for customers who might be trying to use a stolen credit card to sell gas to other customers for cash. He said that has happened twice in two weeks.

Not every station has seen the credit card limits. Todd Clemmer, manager of the Mobil station on Wolf Road in Colonie, said he has rarely had a problem with fraudulent purchases.

But Donna Angus, manager at the Hess station on Route 9 in Latham, said customers often complain about it there. "They get very angry," she said. "They think I'm stopping them from pumping gas."

According to published reports, credit card fraud limits vary. For MasterCard, it's $75; for Visa and Discover, it's $50. Corporate rates are higher, and truck drivers can get waivers.

Mike Johnson, who was filling up his SUV in Colonie on Wednesday, said he has never experienced the pay-at-the-pump limit, but some of his relatives have.

"Everybody gets bothered by it," he said. "It's irritating. They're putting a stipulation on how much gas you can get."

Boyle, the Delmar buyer with the gas can, found a way to solve his problem. The retired information technology manager simply reset the machine and swiped his card a second time.

"It didn't take a rocket scientist," he said. Wechsler can be reached at 454-5469 or by e-mail at awechsler@timesunion.com.

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Brownson, who also is president of the Gasoline and Repair Shop Association of New York Inc., said the decisions are made at the Exxon Mobil corporate office. The corporate office then directs the company that handles the processing of credit cards to limit the pump purchases.



Black gold and the control thereof......


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The main reason for the $50 limit on gas with a credit card is that people can't be trusted anymore. People steal your credit cards they also drive away from the pump without paying and putting a $50 limit prevents the gas stations from losing any money with the use of a stolen credit card. I hate the limit myself, I have a 31 gallon tank on one of my vehicles and at the price of gas today I can only get half a tank for $50.
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Gee, guess we'll have to go back to paying the old fashioned way...with cash!!!


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In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


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Refineries not running at full tilt

By Barbara Hagenbaugh, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — U.S. refiners are producing far less gasoline than they are capable of making because of planned and unplanned maintenance.
That has led to a greater reliance on imports and has made U.S. gasoline supplies vulnerable to further disruptions, such as hurricanes, during the busy summer driving season.

U.S. refineries churned out 87.6% of the gasoline that they were capable of producing last week, down from 89.2% the week before and 5.7 percentage points below a year ago, the government said Wednesday.

The drop came at a time when gasoline production is usually rising to meet summer demand. But aging refineries, continued maintenance following hurricanes in 2005 and greater complexity in refining is forcing refineries to shut down lines.

"U.S. refineries are old," says Bruce Bullock, head of the Maguire Energy Institute at Southern Methodist University. Firms "are having to maintain (refineries) more, and they are having more unplanned outages."

Examples:

•Valero closed part of its refinery near Sunray, Texas, on Monday to fix a mechanical problem.

•BP recently brought back its refinery in Oregon, Ohio, that was partially shut down in mid-April to fix equipment damaged in a power outage.

•Production at an ExxonMobil refinery in Torrance, Calif., was shut down briefly in March after an opossum caused an electrical outage.

Even so, U.S. firms are producing record amounts of gasoline in 2007 because of expansions at existing refineries, American Petroleum Institute economist Ron Planting says.

"We have added the equivalent of a new refinery every year for the last 10 years," he says.

But Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., says he suspects the oil companies are either limiting production or misreporting the numbers to lift the price at the pump.

"All this logic, all these excuses, the math doesn't add up," Stupak says. "The only math that adds up is the adding on of record profits."

Analysts at the Energy Department's Energy Information Administration in a report this month observed that with refinery profit margins high, "Refiners have a strong economic incentive to run their units at the highest possible rates." That suggests, "Unplanned refinery outages and extended maintenance are the key drivers" of the shutdowns, they wrote.

Although gasoline prices have fallen recently, EIA analysts have said they expect prices to increase again later this summer. Wednesday, the U.S. average for regular was $2.998 a gallon, according to AAA.


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A guest presents her gas receipt to Bakers Square President Tim Casey while Village Inn President Jeff Guido serves her pancakes at the company's Denver restaurant. Through July 31, 2007, both restaurant chains are offering "All You Can Eat" pancakes for the price of one gallon of gas, to guests who present a gas receipt. This first-time offer is intended to provide guests some relief from high gas prices during peak summer driving season. (PRNewsFoto/VICORP Restaurants, Inc.)

DENVER, CO UNITED STATES

  


    DENVER, June 21 /PRNewswire/ -- ("First Day of Summer") -- VICORP
Restaurants, Inc., the owners of Village Inn and Bakers Square, today
announced a first-time offer to provide customers some relief from high gas
prices in time for peak summer driving season. Through July 31, 2007,
participating restaurants are offering "All You Can Eat" pancakes for the
price of one gallon of gas, to customers who present a gas receipt. At this
writing, $3.06 is the national average per gallon of self-serve regular
and, while gas prices have dropped in some cities, the latest numbers are
not expected to portend any dramatic price drops. Gas prices are still up
93 cents since the start of 2007.
    (Photo: http://www.newscom.com/cgi-bin/prnh/20070621/AQTH005)
    As part of the special offer, Village Inn and Bakers Square Restaurants
will also be distributing fuel saving tips to customers through a
partnership with http://www.GasBuddy.com, the internet site that monitors
prices at 900-thousand gas stations nationwide, and inviting them to visit
the website to find gas at the best price in their town.
    "We felt it important for Village Inn, as a family-restaurant, to help
take a bite out of rising gas prices for the many of our customers taking
to the highways with their families this season," said Jeff Guido,
President of Village Inn Restaurants. "Bad news at the gas pump is now good
news for pancake-lovers, as we continue to satisfy our guests' hunger for
life's simple pleasures," added Bakers Square President Tim Casey.
    GasBuddy founder and Web entrepreneur Jason Toews applauded the
innovative offer. "We commend Village Inn and Bakers Square for helping to
educate consumers on how to save fuel as summer travel season gets
underway," said Toews.
    The "Top Ten Fuel Saving Tips" from GasBuddy that Village Inn and
Bakers Square Restaurants will be distributing broadly to consumers,
include:
    1.  Avoid High Speeds
    2.  Do Not Accelerate or Brake Hard
    3.  Keep Tires Properly Inflated
    4.  Use A/C Sparingly
    5.  Keep Windows Closed
    6.  Service Vehicle Regularly
    7.  Use Cruise Control
    8.  Avoid Heavy Loads
    9.  Avoid Long Idles
    10. Purchase a Fuel Efficient Vehicle
    The special "All You Can Eat Pancake" offer harkens back to Village
Inn's heritage, which dates back to 1958, of hearty, wholesome breakfasts
that included famous buttermilk pancakes, as well as lunch and dinner
entrees. In the early 80s, Village Inn Pancake House changed its name to
VICORP Restaurants, Inc. and acquired Bakers Square which also offers a
full menu complimented by award-winning pies. Today, the privately-held
VICORP, headquartered in Denver, has 409 restaurants system wide in 25
states and more than 12,000 employees nationwide.
    For details and updates on the "All You Can Eat Pancakes" priced per
gallon offer, customers are invited to stop in at their local restaurants
or to visit http://www.villageinn.com and http://www.bakerssquare.com.
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Gallon of gas dips below $3
AAA Fuel Gauge data shows the nationwide average retail price for a gallon of regular is $2.998.
By Chris Zappone, CNNMoney.com staff writer
June 20 2007: 1:35 PM EDT


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The nationwide average retail price for a gallon of regular gasoline fell to $2.998 Wednesday, according to AAA. Tuesday the price stood at $3.002, according to the motorists' association.

The average price hit a record high of $3.23 a gallon at the end of May and has since fallen roughly 8 percent.

Problems with refinery production levels helped drive the cost of gas up around Memorial Day, even uncoupling it from price of oil that it traditionally tracks, according to Geoff Sundstrom, spokesman for AAA.

"We expect gas numbers to decline as refineries get their act together," Sundstrom said.

"Psychologically, we think it's important for the nation," Sundstrom said of the easing prices that had many households concerned about the record highs in May.

"The fact that we've gone back under $3 is a shot in the arm to the economy," he said, who noted that the instant knowledge of crude and gas futures tends to affect pricing even at the retail level.

"It's a telltale sign that the rally has peaked,"said Stephen Schork, principal of the industry newsletter the Schork Report. "The sell off in crude is impressive and expected. The sell off in gasoline is more impressive."

Shork said the EIA numbers showing refineries running at 87.6 percent capacity should have generated a bullish reaction in gas prices.

"We simply have no ability to make gasoline," Shork said. "If you can't get a bull reaction on a report like this odds are we're in for further weakness in gas prices through the summer."

Shares trended lower Wednesday for major oil producers BP Plc (Charts), Chevron (Charts, Fortune 500), ExxonMobil (Charts, Fortune 500) and ConocoPhillips (Charts, Fortune 500).



Many embedded links in this story if you follow the link.  I didn't follow them all.
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Oil tumbles on big jump in inventories
Prices fall after crude, gasoline supplies post surprise increase ahead of summer driving season.
By Keisha Lamothe, CNNMoney.com staff writer
June 20 2007: 4:53 PM EDT


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Oil prices sank more than $1 Wednesday after a government report said supplies of crude and gasoline jumped more than Wall Street had expected.

U.S. crude for July delivery sank 91 cents to $68.19 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Oil had traded down 21 cents just prior to the report's release.

In its weekly inventory report, the federal government's Energy Information Administration said crude stocks jumped 6.9 million barrels versus analysts' forecasts for only a small change.

"Crude was much higher than expected. That was kind of a shock and the market is trading on the shock right now," said Phil Flynn, a Chicago-based senior market analyst at Alaron Trading.

Gasoline supplies, closely watched in the summer driving season, climbed 1.8 million barrels last week. Analysts were looking for a 1-million-barrel rise, according to Reuters.

Distillates, used to make heating oil and diesel fuel, also rose by 100,000 barrels, but was less than the 800,000-barrel increase analysts expected.

A decline in refinery activity also supported prices. EIA said refineries ran at 87.6 percent capacity, down from last week's 89.6 percent.

The report comes as traders have been focused on whether struggling U.S. refiners could lift supplies of gasoline during the peak summer demand season, while also reviving low heating fuels stocks, Reuters reported.

"We are swimming in crude right now and the real problem is that were are not swimming in enough gasoline," Flynn said. "Refineries are also having a hard time, which means we could see higher gasoline prices."

Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman said he's confident refining activity will jump back above 90 percent shortly. He said emergency federal provisions to spur that, like relaxing environmental standards, were probably not needed.

"There's reason to believe some of these refineries will come back online," said Bodman, speaking to reporters at a renewable energy finance conference in New York. "They have enormous incentive to do it," he said, alluding to the high profits currently enjoyed by the refining industry.  
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http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2007/06/21/gas-prices.html

This is a Canadian news article, so in parenthesis, I changed the amount from cents per liter to dollars per gallon.  This is still in Canadian Dollars.  For anybody that wants to do more figuring on these, the current exchange rate, per Yahoo, is $1 Canadian = $0.9311 US.
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2.5-cent tumble ordered for N.L. gas pumps
Last Updated: Thursday, June 21, 2007 | 7:21 AM NT
CBC News

Newfoundland and Labrador's fuel regulator marked the start of summer Thursday by shaving a few cents off the maximum price of gasoline.

Gas prices fell by 2.5 cents or 2.6 cents per litre (9.4675 - 9.8462 cents per gallon), depending on rounding for taxes, in the latest price settings issued by the Petroleum Pricing Office.

The order makes it illegal to sell self-serve unleaded gas at a price higher than $1.161 per litre ($4.396686 per gallon) on the Avalon Peninsula, where prices are cheapest.

The PPO adjusts settings around the province to account for transportation and handling costs. In the Springdale area, for instance, the maximum price is $1.20 per litre ($4.544379 per gallon), and $1.215 ($4.601183 per gallon) in western Labrador.

The setting, which comes as the summer driving season gears up, puts the cost of gas just a penny above the settings of a year ago.

The order is the second drop over the past month, bringing gas prices down by about six cents per litre.

The PPO, which issues price settings every two weeks, said the international petroleum market continues to "experience considerable volatility, virtually on a daily basis."

The PPO, which has been regulating fuel prices in Newfoundland and Labrador since 2001, raised the cost of furnace and stove oil by 0.81 cents per litre. It dropped household propane products by 1.5 cents per litre.
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Senate votes for 35 mpg fuel average
Higher standard would apply to cars, SUVs, pickups

BY H. JOSEF HEBERT AND KEN THOMAS
The Associated Press

   WASHINGTON — The Senate voted Thursday to require average fuel economy of 35 miles per gallon for new cars, pickup trucks and SUVs by 2020, raising efficiency standards that have not changed significantly for nearly two decades.
   The fuel economy measure was added to a broad energy bill without a roll call vote even as senators were holding a news conference announcing the compromise.
   Republicans earlier blocked Democratic efforts to raise oil taxes by $29 billion and use the money to promote renewable fuels and other clean energy programs.
   Democratic leaders hoped to complete the energy bill Thursday night, but senators close to the auto industry began an effort to derail the entire bill.
   “We will be continuing to oppose it,” said Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., “This is not over by any stretch.”
   In the House, the issue is not resolved. A draft energy bill does not include provisions on auto fuel economy, although Rep. Edward Markey, D-Mass., is expected to try to add one when the legislation comes to the floor in coming weeks.
   Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., a longtime protector of auto industry interests, said his House Energy and Commerce Committee will not address the matter until fall as part of global warming legislation.
   The Senate legislation for the fi rst time would establish a single fuel economy standard applicable to not only cars, but also SUVs and pickups. which currently have to meet less stringent requirement.
   Fuel efficiency requirements would vary for different classes of vehicles based on weight and size. But manufacturers would be required to meet an overall fleetwide average of 35 mpg.
   “It closes the SUV loophole,” declared Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., referring to current requirements that allow much less stringent fuel efficiency standards for SUVs and pickup trucks than for cars. “This is a victory for the American public.”
   The compromise, approved without floor debate, was crafted over several days behind closed doors with the aim of heading off attempts by senators sympathetic to the auto industry to press a less stringent proposal.
   President Bush, who was in Alabama visiting a nuclear power plant, said Congress must “be realistic” about the energy legislation. The White House opposes having Congress mandate a specific mileage number for auto fuel economy. Bush believes the Transportation Department should be given increased fl exibility to set a standard.
   Automakers are currently required to meet an average of 27.5 mpg for cars and 22.2 mpg for SUVs and small trucks. The car standard has not changed since 1989, though the truck requirements have been increased slightly by the Bush administration.
   The measure tacked onto the energy bill would require a 35 mpg fleet average — including SUVs and pickup trucks — by 2020, and require that automakers make half of their vehicles capable of running on 85 percent ethanol fuel by 2015.
   The compromise removed a requirement that automakers would have had to meet an additional 4 percent increase per year for 10 years after 2020. The ethanol fl exfuel requirement also would have been three years longer.
   Automakers had strongly opposed the 4 percent requirement, saying it was not achievable and would have required them to make vehicles with a fleet-wide average of 52 mpg by 2030.
   “This compromise is a signifi cant step to keeping this legislation moving forward,” said Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska.
   Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said it was important that some version of the mileage increase be included in the broader energy bill, even if the requirements on automakers were eased a bit under the compromise.
   Reid said he hoped to have the bill approved by the end of today.
   The auto fuel economy issue has been one of the thorniest facing lawmakers.
   Auto industry leaders came to Capitol Hill several weeks ago saying they could not meet the kind of fuel use increases being contemplated. Industry executives and car dealers visited Senate offices this week in last-minute lobbying and urged senators to approve a less stringent measure.  



  
  
  
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What they're not saying in here is there's also a part in a bill (not sure if it's this one or another one) that will also raise your price per gallon, doubling it from today's rates to somewhere around $6 / gallon.  Good thing they're helping us get more mileage, we'll need it.  You still be paying the same amount for gas, even though you're using half as much.
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It's all relative just ask the Banking Savings and Loan.....they enjoyed their little help.....it is a chess game...This must be a "knight move"....Just so they can say "we told the auto makers to fix your cars." The sucking sound is getting louder and louder....it's the worms....


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New-age autos may use less, different fuel
BY H. JOSEF HEBERT The Associated Press

   WASHINGTON — The cars, SUVs and pickups people will buy in the years ahead are likely to use less fuel, and many will rely on ethanol or household electricity instead of gasoline.
   The energy legislation pushed through the Senate this week provides a road map to the future, demanding higher automobile fuel economy, mandating huge increases in ethanol as a motor fuel and supporting more research into building “plug-in” hybrid-electric vehicles.
   While Senate Republicans complained that the bill does nothing to increase domestic oil production, Democrats said that’s because the nation must move energy policy away from its heavy reliance on oil.
   The House is preparing its own version.
   The Senate bill requires automakers to increase fuel economy to 35 miles per gallon, about a 40 percent increase over what cars, SUVs and small trucks are required to achieve now. It would lump all the vehicles under a single regulation, but also give manufacturers flexibility so large SUVs wouldn’t have to meet the same requirements as smaller cars.
   It requires a yearly increase of ethanol production to 36 billion gallons a year by 2022, a sevenfold increase from today. By 2015, half of the new vehicles offered to buyers — as many as 10 million — will have to be capable of running on 85 percent ethanol, biodiesel or some other alternative energy source.
   And for the first time, the president must find ways to cut oil demand by 20 percent of what it is expected to be in 2017 — a target President Bush has embraced — and attain further reductions after that. Gasoline demand is expected to grow 13 percent to 261 billion gallons a year by 2017 without some fuel-saving measures.
   But will auto showrooms provide the same selection of vehicles? Will they be as big, as powerful, as safe?
   “I would expect them to look a lot like they do today, the same size, the same acceleration and the same or even better safety,” says David Friedman, director of the clean vehicles program at the Union of Concerned Scientists.
   He maintains they will have better technology, better engines, more efficient transmissions and stronger aluminum bodies. They’ll cost a little more but use much less gasoline.
   “The goal is to replace fossil fuels with alternative fuels and use conservation,” said Sen. Maria Cantwell, D-Wash., who was involved in the discussions on many of the auto fuel economy and motor fuel issues that ended up in the bill.
   What has changed from a few years ago, she said, is there no longer is “a fear factor that you’re going to be in itty-bitty cars” if the government requires automakers to make more fuel-efficient vehicles.
   In addition to making conventional cars more fuel-efficient, the bill seeks to boost research into use of lithium-ion batteries — like those used in laptop computers and cameras — in vehicles.
   Should ways be found to make them more durable in a vehicle environment, cars could be plugged into an electric socket at home, relying only rarely on gasoline, says Friedman. Some studies have estimated the fuel cost — mostly the cost of electricity and a small amount of gasoline — would be equivalent to about $1 a gallon, said Cantwell.
   Automakers, lobbying hard against the fuel economy provision in the Senate bill, expressed continued concern Friday about their ability to meet the new requirements without changing the mix of cars they will be able to provide in the showrooms of 2020.
   “There’s no way you can get those numbers without a dramatic shift in consumer choice,” insisted Mark LaNeve, General Motors’ vice president of North America sales, service and marketing.
   “We don’t know how it’s attainable.”
   Eric Ridenour, chief operating officer at Chrysler Group, where three of every four vehicles are built on truck frames, said the company will have to decide whether to keep selling some of its larger vehicles.
   “Clearly, the larger family-sized vehicles will be the ones that will be most at risk,” said Ridenour. “The end result will be lighter, smaller vehicles in general.”
   He envisioned generally smaller cars and more of them running on diesel.  



  
  
  
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